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Ask 411 Wrestling: What If the Outsiders Didn’t Go to WCW?

November 12, 2014 | Posted by Mathew Sforcina

Hiya, welcome to the only column written by a guy who won a ‘match’ over a ring announcer this week, Ask 411 Wrestling!

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Grumpy Cat? Really? Really?

Ah well, at least he won’t bail as quickly as Al Sharpton did.

Actually, Grumpy Sandow could be amusing for 10 seconds…

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July 4th: Regardless of what the Fourth of July means to the average American today, the symbolism of Rusev, a man who hates America and all it stands for, winning America’s Title, on the day America celebrates the anniversary of it coming into existence as a sovereign nation… That’s the kinda thing you can really run with. No matter what you think of the holiday.

The Trivia Crown

Who am I? Weird Al once picked me. Although I have two tag partners I’m well remembered for, the first thing I co-won was with a guy I rarely tagged with and who is now retired. My most recent WWE theme is a double negative, while the guy who wrote me off WWE TV is positively double now. I won a big one a week after debuting on a new brand, I won my TV match this week, and I’m a two time Slammy winner, I am who?

Zach has it.

Who am I? Weird Al once picked me. (Al Snow)
Although I have two tag partners I’m well remembered for, the first thing I co-won was with a guy I rarely tagged with and who is now retired. (Matt Coppetelli? Co-Winners of Tough Enough)
My most recent WWE theme is a double negative (This Ain’t No Make Believe)
while the guy who wrote me off WWE TV is positively double now. (The Miz and Mizdow)
I won a big one a week after debuting on a new brand, (ECW Championship vs. CM Punk)
I won my TV match this week (Lucha Underground?)
and I’m a two time Slammy winner (With the Miz for Tag Team of the Year and Best Web Show)
I am who? John Morrison

Yeah, that’s it, although the Weird Al thing was legitimately Weird Al…

Who am I? All but one of my ring names were along the same rough idea, although I went by another totally separate name away from the ring but still in wrestling. I was part of an important first match ever for something with a guy with a familiar last name. Despite mainly being a wrestler, I managed World Champions, both sexes, as well as at one point controlling two titles. The total number of WWE title reigns I’ve had is one less than the total number of title reigns I’ve had outside of WWE. A man who once used propofol, sodium thiopental, etomidate, and/or ketamine as a finisher, I am who?

Getting Down To All The Business

The Saint starts us off with a simple enough question.

Quick question, based on a slight debate on a news post today.

Chose which was the best rivalry

Austin vs Rock

Steamboat vs Flair

Angle vs Benoit

Hart vs Michaels

show your work!

Austin vs McMahon.

Oh, not on there? OK then…

As always, whenever this thing comes up, you have to understand that at the end of the day you’re not really debating the best rivalry, you’re really debating what constitutes the best rivalry. You’re arguing about what it is that should be considered as the best, pure in ring work, or money made, or genuine hatred, or historical impact, whatever you personally consider the question should be judged by is what you’re arguing about.

In my case, I think the best rivalry should be one that was historically significant, made money, and produced good matches, with each of them having about an equal level of importance. And out of those four, Steamboat vs Flair is my pick, in that it drew very well, produced some of the best wrestling matches of all time, and has inspired many wrestlers to follow on from it. But I can see an argument for Hart V Michaels if you value long term impact and real life issues, and Austin V Rock if you think two of the greatest ever having great matches is what is important. Even without Benoit’s final hours, Angle V Benoit isn’t quite on the level as the rest of those.

But Austin V McMahon is still the greatest of all time.

From rivalries to main events with Matt from New Jersey.

Hi Mathew, long time reader/fan, but this is only my second time asking a question (and the first time, it got a short answer from Byers). I first started watching wrestling in August of ’94, so Wrestlemania XI was my first Wrestlemania. At the time, I didn’t understand the significance of a “main event.” I didn’t realize that the match that went on last was supposed to be the most important one, and that only the biggest stars usually got that honor. So at the time, it didn’t strike me as out of the ordinary that the biggest show of the year closed with a midcarder facing a non-wrestler. Looking back on it now, I can’t understand it for the life of me.

Shawn was Vince’s pet project, and Diesel was their latest attempt at recreating Hogan…how was that match not the main event? For that matter, Bret vs. Backlund had months of build and main event credibility also. WWE has had plenty of celebrity matches at Mania over the years (Akebono, Floyd Mayweather, Donald Trump, etc.), but outside of the first Wrestlemania, where Mr. T teaming with Hogan WAS the major selling point of the whole show, it’s never been treated as the most important match on the card. What was so special about LT wrestling? And if it WAS supposed to be the biggest match on the card…why Bam Bam? Bam Bam was certainly a competent performer, but to the best of my recollection, he’d never main evented a single PPV prior to that (outside of facing Bret in the finals of KOTR), and the only time he main evented one after that was a few months later in a tag team match with Diesel. If that was going to be the match around which the whole show was built, why did they give the spot to someone who had never main evented another major show? What was the thinking behind closing WMXI with LT vs. Bam Bam?

The second part is easy. Bam Bam was the guy because he was a good wrestler who had a unique look and was somewhat over but talented enough to lead an amateur through a match and make him look good, and who was willing to lose to a retired football player in exchange for a WM main event, a decent pay check and a push down the line (although that never eventuated).

But as for what the thinking was for LT being the main event, that comes down to a fact that isn’t obvious in retrospect. Lawrence Taylor WAS the major selling point for Wrestlemania, as LT was huge at the time in popular culture. The dude is one of the greatest football players of all time, according to various people who I presume know what they’re talking about, and he was a big name at the time. So him wrestling at Wrestlemania was a big deal, and got a huge amount of media coverage. You think all those photographers around ringside were there for Bret/Bob?

Diesel wasn’t over as champ. HBK wasn’t over as a challenger. Bret wasn’t over as either. Not compared to Hogan levels, you understand. The WWF Title match wasn’t that much of a draw, neither was Bret V Bob. LT and Bam Bam was a draw. It made the show a success, which says something about where WWF was at the time.

While the WWF title should always be the main focus, sometimes it has to take a back step in order for Wrestlemania to be a success. It took a back seat to Mr. T, to LT, and you can argue it took a back seat to Mike Tyson and Donald Trump too. It’s just that today, WWE is safe enough to not have to do that last if they don’t have to. Although considering the situation right now…

Now, sometimes with this column, due to the backlog, questions get answered or irrelevant by the time I answer them. But for it to happen in a single week… Andron?

Good day, just some questions came to mind last week when I was watching raw.

Firstly, With Ryback. I know we was all wondering how they can resurrect Ryback as a face. do you feel the backstage apologetic Ryback was effective and Necessary for his face turn?

It would have been, had they stuck with it. But they clearly aren’t going with contrite, apologetic, Back On Track Ryback. After Raw, they seem to be going the Ryback As Rouge Element, given he’s such a lovely shade of Red. Or Rogue Element if you want the standard phrase.

Anyway, this isn’t the first time that WWE has changed their minds and gone a different direction, and I guess you can draw a line between the two, in that he didn’t actually say what sort of hero we need. He’s not the hero we want (Anti-Cena), he’s the hero we need (Nothing-To-Do-With-Cena)…

With the viper turning side of face, who is liable to being the top heel of the company to replace orton… Mark Henry again?

We presume he’s a face. Yes, he got taken out, and I wouldn’t put it past them to have him return at the Rumble, but Orton’s a guy who can come back however the hell he wants.

But if he’s gone to the good side, who’s the top heel? Well, Brock Lesnar, but out of those left I kinda want to say Seth Rollins, he’s certainly being positioned there, but he’s not replacing Orton. Rusev is probably the closest thing, especially if they drop the Putin stuff and have Lana start worshipping Steph instead…

Also have WWE ever been so obvious that they don’t know what to do with a wrestler the way they are with Woods?

Ryder. Cesaro. Big E. Sandow. Mizdow. Ziggler. Handsome Cody. Ugly Cody. Swagger. Most of Nexus. Bryan before Punk bailed. And that’s just the past few years.

WWE often has midcard talent that they don’t know what to do with since them getting over wasn’t in their plans. Woods, at least, they’re trying things, even if what they’re trying are one and a half steps away from racism, arguably.

I’m sure people below will argue that half of those people I listed were never over or untalented or used right or something, but the case is, WWE doesn’t have a superb track record of using talent fully. Woods is one in a very, very, VERY long line…

Dave backs into a problem with WWE’s money making plans right now.

Do you think that WCW will ever get an the ECW treatment with a One Night Stand type PPV? I realize that the InVasion failed and we never really got beyond the Buff Bagwell / Booker T match, but now…years later, can a retro WCW PPV work? If you can’t sign someone like Goldberg for Wrestlemania, why not have him work a single night instead? Sting’s on board already, and I’m sure the former mid-card talent wouldn’t mind the work. Cap it off by a Billionaire Ted appearance,

Thoughts?

Well, they did that in the WWE ’12 video game.

However, doing that in real life? It won’t happen now, because WCW nearly killed the WWF, and Vince has done everything he could to kill the brand, even after he owned the damn thing. Every time WCW has been brought up, it’s been to mock or put down the company, and explain how WWE is superior… Oh, but you should totally rent the network so you can watch old Nitros and WCW shows! Because while we’ve told you over and over that they suck, you… Uh…

And so on.

I mean, if they held it in the heartland of WCW, maybe you’d get enough fans to have a decent crowd, but it’d be an uphill battle. Even without Vince’s burials, ECW had a cult-like fan base and was constantly reinforced whenever something crazy happened and someone had to chant ECW. WCW was never really chanted, the brand is almost dead by this point. Add in very few wrestlers who are identifiable with the company are still active and under contract to WWE (Goldust as Dustin Rhodes, Regal, Big Show, Jericho depending on the day, Triple H maybe), or on friendly terms, I just don’t see it happening. But it would be different, at least.

Speaking of WCW, nightwolf wants to talk the Four Horsemen.

1. We all know that the 4 Horsemen ( Flair, Anderson, Blanchard, Windham, Dillon) all worked for WWE at one point or another. My question is, why didn’t Vince McMahon bring the 4 Horsemen in together as a group. I mean it would have been awesome to see the Horsemen battle the Hart Foundation, the Kliq and DX.

It almost happened at Summerslam 88, with Flair and Windham jumping ship and reforming with Tully and Arn, but replacing Dillon with Heenan, which in the scheme of things is replacing a diamond encrusted Rolls Royce with a Rolls Royce encrusted diamond mine. But Flair ended up staying with NWA out of loyalty and Vince was reluctant to put Barry in a high position after him leaving him in 85.

But apart from that one moment, the stars never aligned to have enough of the talent in the same place, and at the end of the day, the Horsemen as a concept was totally counter to how the WWF ran at the time. While Heenan cutting promos managing the Horsemen I still want till this day, using the Horsemen would require Vince to totally revamp how he did business, flipping from the All Conquering Hero to a chase mentality.

And sure, he could have done it, and I think had he had the Horsemen he might well have, but it was still an issue to overcome. Much better to just ‘improve’ on it at some point with Evolution.

2. Speaking of the 4 Horsemen, who on today’s WWE roster could you see being a member of the 4 horsemen?

Considering that Paul Roma was a horseman, anyone could have been one.

But as for guys who could have lived up to the ideals and the style of the Horsemen in their heyday…

Cesaro’s an obvious first choice, but then he’s my first choice for practically anything.

Regal would be good in the Ole Grizzled Bastard Vet role, the old timer of the group. Plus he looks darn good in a suit.

While they wouldn’t fit in their current gimmicks, I think Miz and Sandow could do well, if you could get the Miz of 2010 back, and Sandow could find a halfway point between the Intellectual Savior of Dem Asses The Masses and Performance Artist.

Orton would be a good pick too, with temperament of Pillman and the cadence of Arn, and he can go when he needs to.

And as a left field pick, Layla would be my choice for a Woman/Debra/Miss Elizabeth for the group.

But that’s my thoughts, what about you guys?

Botchamania!!!!

I really like this for some reason. Can’t imagine why…

From new Horsemen to old World Orders, Anthony asks a big question.

What would have happened if Scott Hall and Kevin Nash never left the WWF in 1996? What were in the plans for them?

The problem with discussing what was planned for guys before X happened is that plans change all the time, and so what was maybe being discussed at the time they bailed wasn’t automatically going to happen, or that we only know what plans were after they began to leave. But from what I’ve read, Razor would have probably stuck around the upper-midcard, assuming he stayed drug free enough, while Diesel would be a main eventer, trade wins. Not a huge push but he’d stick to the top of the card.

But that’s not the big part. The big part is what happens to the industry. Without Hall and Nash jumping, you don’t have the nWo, nor do you have Crow Sting, so WCW is off to a bad start, maybe Hogan just turns heel solo…

But the big thing is in WWF, because without Hall and Nash leaving, you don’t get the Curtain Call, so Hunter Hearst Helmsley wins KOTR 96, so Austin 3:16 isn’t born, and with it, Austin is set back a bit, especially given that if the Clique is still hanging around, Bret probably bails/retires early, so no Montreal, so no Mr. McMahon… Austin maybe gets over still and thus rises up against HBK and such, but it’s a wildly different landscape.

Hall and Nash don’t jump ship, the entire Attitude Era is changed, with almost every major player affected. We’d be in a totally different world. At least, that’s what my time machine says, others might disagree.

Rahil asks about audiences.

What is the smallest audience in wrestling history ?????

While I’m sure there’s been tiny indy shows where they only had a few people in attendance, the answer is, in a tie, any Empty Arena match, given that there’s no-one there. Like, for instance, Halftime Heat.

and the largest (possibly wcw kollision in korea) ?????

Yeah, Day 2 of the Collision in Korea Peace Festival saw somewhere between 160,000 to 190,000 thousand people in attendance. 320,000 saw the two days overall, so that’s the biggest crowd ever.

In terms of attendance at a venue of your own free will specifically to see wrestling (and now fireworks and wrestling or PRIDE and stuff), it’s Wrestlemania 3 if you accept the 93,173 figure or Wrestlemania 29’s 80,676 if you don’t.

Drew has another original plans question.

I have a question about something that was going on in the early days of the NWO invasion. When the invasion was still in it’s early stage, Sting had already gone free agent and at some point, Randy Savage kind of went solo (don’t remember why) and took Nitro hostage by sitting in the ring with a chair and refusing to move. After throwing out wrestlers and refs, Sting came out and after a tense stair down, they left together. Then for the next few weeks, the two where spotted together in the rafters and staying out of the war between WCW and NWO. Eventually, Savage joined the NWO because Elizabeth joined as well and Sting shortly after turned face. Was there other plans originally for Randy Savage sticking with Sting? Where the two supposed to be a tag team? Was it Randy’s choice or did someone else intervene?

Savage had left the promotion in late October 96, after wrestling Hogan at Halloween Havoc. His deal had run out and he and WCW couldn’t come to a new deal. Then, a couple months later, they worked out a deal, so he returned in January 97, the 20th of January 97 edition of Nitro. From DDT Digest’s recap…

The show opened with “Macho Man” Randy Savage coming through the crowd to the ring. He grabbed the mike and said he’d been “blackballed” by WCW and wasn’t leaving until he saw someone with some “major stroke”. And, “As for my ex-boss Eric Bischoff, he can kiss my ass!” He then sat in a chair in the middle of the ring. Chavo Guerrero, Jr. came out confused for his opening match. Macho kicked back and wouldn’t budge. Chavo tried to reason with Macho to no avail. Chavo started getting hot (you know that Guerrero temper!). Macho popped him and pitched him. Maxx Muscle came out and went to the ring to an unexpected meeting with Macho Man’s fisties. Macho picked up the chair and everyone started cheering. Then he sat down and everyone booed. Then, in succession, Macho popped and pitched the referee, Doug Dillinger, and Alex Wright. Sting then suddenly rapelled some 300 feet from the ceiling (it was pretty incredible). Sting did his shove and then hand it to him thing with the bat with Macho. Then they walked off through the crowd together.

At the time Sting was in self-exile from WCW, you see, and during this early period he seemed to be amassing his own army, Savage, Duggan, Giant, a bunch of guys he seemed to have some connection to. Then, Savage turned on him and WCW and joined the nWo, thus building, slowly but surely, to the Hogan/Sting match at Starrcade. I couldn’t find hard details on who decided what, but it seems to me that when he came back he was going to join, they just played off the reason for his absence and give Sting another reason to be the sole lone wolf.

B has a simple question.

Have you ever heard of Video Game Championship Wrestling (VGCW)? If so, what do you think of it?

He provided a link, and a blurb which I didn’t include here.

No, I hadn’t heard of them specifically, but certainly that sort of thing, people running their own shows via video games, I’m familiar with them. I’ve included Botch-A-Glitch-A-Manias in here before, and I’ve got no problem with them as a concept. Some people are good at booking and/or production, some aren’t. But I’m more a Hogan vs Flair guy myself, no offence.

Moving away from disguised plugs to questions from Connor.

Wrestlemania 17, Great American Bash 1989 and In Your House 16: Canadian Stampede are generally regarded as the top 3 greatest wrestling events of all time, which one is your favorite if you had to choose?

Wrestlemania 17. Much more of a personal connection to me, while the other two are great shows that I can enjoy seeing, WM17 is both an awesome show and the end of an era AND was a show I watched live on PPV, I remember how I reacted during the show, how I was upset Pete Rose didn’t win the Hardcore Title, how I booed when Chyna won the Women’s title, and how I knew somewhat was up the moment Austin used the Million Dollar Dream. WM17 purely for personal connection.

Why did WWE get rid of the King of the Ring PPV? I used to love King of the Ring, it’s not the same having it on Raw every few years

The argument is that the show didn’t draw, given that they couldn’t advertise matches ahead of time, the theory is that tournaments don’t draw. And while that’s somewhat true, I still think the thing had merit to help build stars, using it as the way to get a Summerslam title shot was brilliant. But honestly, right now MITB has replaced it. Still, a guy can dream…

I watched Royal Rumble 1993 out of curiosity the other day and loved the opening Ric Flair vs Bob Backlund portion, my question is did Flair and Backlund ever have a straight up one on one match?, was Backlund supposed to win? or was it just to build sympathy for Yokozuna?

Yoko was always winning, Backlund going that long was totally just to screw Flair over by taking away his Iron Man record, Backlund went longer than Flair did so Flair lost his record.

And yes, the two did have a straight up match, a title unification match in fact, NWA V WWF Title, 4th of July, 1982 in the Omni.

That was the only match I could find between the two.

also, why was Bob Backlund put over Bret Hart at Survivor Series 1994? if they were all about the new generation at the time? he seemed an odd choice as I think the fans at the time were too young to remember him

Because Transition. They wanted the belt off Bret Hart. They wanted the belt on Diesel. They needed a heel to beat Hart and then lose to Diesel quickly. Backlund was over with Crazy Mr. Backlund, and was a good way to highlight the new generation by being the old man stuck in the past. He takes Bret Hart to the limit and only wins because Owen’s towel shenanigans, furthering the Hart Family issue. Then he loses to Diesel in record time, putting over Diesel as superhuman.

Plus, as a side note, guys making comebacks in their 40’s was a brief trend in sports at the time, led by George Foreman’s boxing comeback, so they were kinda also playing off that a little.

But mainly it was about showcasing the new by highlighting the old. Which is a shame, Mr. Backlund as champ had potential for so much more…

J-Man 3000 asks about clothing.

Hey, long time reader 1 time asker,wonderful job etc.

Just wondering how many matches have been won by people wearing red singlets?

Oh for-

I’m kidding of course…

*throws away 3 hours of work*

Ok then.

Real question I was watching the triple threat match from Summerslam 2000 last week and I noticed something I had never seen before. Right after Rock pins HHH, Earl Hebner comes over to give Rock the belt. As he leans down he clearly hands HHH something. When they cut to the hard cam, HHH is now holding his hands to his mouth. Any idea what Earl may have handed Hunter? The version of the match I was watching was from the Rocks bluray so it does cut out early and you don’t see the post match of Angle carrying Stephanie to the back. But I don’t recall any internal bleeding angle that would require a capsule or anything. Any ideas?

To the tape!

Yeah, he got knocked out cold, not internal injuries. And no-one really bladed, so there wouldn’t be a need to cover up the blade. However, at a guess, I think it’s less Hebner passing Hunter something than him telling Hebner something, and holding his mouth, acting like he’s holding his jaw, to cover up his talking. Often times you’ll see that, guys holding their jaws to cover up talking. But that’s just an educated guess, I can’t imagine what else it could be. Perchance a reader doth know.

Manu Bumb asks an ever green.

Who currently wrestling has the longest running single themesong?

HHH and Jericho are both DQ’d because they’ve had alternate songs that they’ve used regularly enough to be considered as themesongs (king of kings, and king of my world), HBK, Booker, and Flair are all DQ’d because they are no longer active, and…..I think that’s it.

So out of who is left, which currently active wrestler has the longest running single themesong? Brock Lesnar?

Is Vince active enough for you? He’s up to 15 years of No Chance In Hell as a theme, and I can’t recall anyone in the big leagues who still wrestles and has a theme longer running than that. Lawler’s had two themes so he is DQed…

And finally, Jake has been watching the Network and has some questions.

Ive been watching thr network lately and I have a few questions.

Told you.

1st. Why do they have divas and current wrestlers interviewed for subjects they know nothing about? Like I don’t care what Fandago’s girl (cant think of her name) cares about attitude era/80’s or what Brodus Clay was doing during the MNW. Why doesn’t WWE interview the players involved and not Kofi fuckin Kingston?

Because it would take time and effort to bring those people to TV tapings, or to set them up in a studio. If they need them for a DVD, they’ll make a day of it and ask them about everything they can, but if you need a talking head, it’s much easier to grab someone who’s going to be at the taping anyway than it is to call up and ask for someone to come to a taping special. Plus, you know, you don’t have to pay Fandango or Layla any more to be on one of those things since they’re at the show already.

2nd. I’m watching the Hart Family DVD and it makes me wonder, if Bischoff had Bret, Anvil, and Bulldog, Why didn’t they introduce them as a faction under a different name? They could have been rivals to the nWo or whomever. Is it just me or wouldn’t that be the obvious thing to do?

You’re right, that would have been an obvious thing to do. But they couldn’t, due to a legal injunction filed by WWF. WCW wasn’t allowed to have Bret interact with Bulldog or Niedhart in any way, they couldn’t refer to or play off the Hart Foundation or else they’d get sued. Or something along those lines, legal and expensive, all I know is that they weren’t allowed to use them as a unit or else WWF would be all over their asses.

3rd. What would you think of WWE buying Kayfabe Com,RF Vid and all the shoot interviews and make their own “Timelines” or better yet doing their own shoots. They would be so much better on the network because they could add in footage of whatever Cornette’s bitching about.

I’d like that, WWE starting up their own line of shoot interviews/Kayfabe Commentaries style timelines and such, that would be excellent. But then there’s a lot I’d like them to do with the network before I think it’s worth the subscription (still haven’t signed up, for the records), and new and original programming is on the list b but given that the people running it are overworked and aren’t wrestling fans, they don’t seem to be able to grasp what potential subscribers want, nor the ability to fight for the budget to do it.

4th. What would you think of WWE starting to do their own TV Movies based on behind the scenes wrestling? Example Do a TV movie of the week leading up to montreal. Do one on War Settle score/ lead up to WM1 and show what Vince was putting on the line and how it turned out, Do a weekly series of what happened behind the scenes of the attitude era,. I’m talking real actors. HBO type movies, They have WWE Studios. Why Not try?

Well… The revisionism is already pretty strong in WWE. I’m not sure I could handle a ‘dramatised’ version of how Vince showed a bunch of scheming bankers and drug dealing TV executives and created a global icon like Wrestlemania and thus bringing little Timmy back to life and feeding the millions with Hulkaburgers.

I mean, the idea isn’t horrible, by any means, it’s just that with Vince involved, even just as a figurehead, I’m not confident that it’ll end up good instead of just ‘right’, if that makes sense.

But TV movies without the need to focus on wrestling, that might be a better deal. Do a series of 1 hour short stories, each one with a different wrestler. Shoot a story about uncovering Nazi Gold with Cesaro as the brave Swiss banker, or a buddy cop story with Interpol agent Finn Bálor and Nacho agent Hideo Itami. Stuff like that. And all the other stuff we want on the network.

Let me know below what YOU want on the network, and then get into debates about if I meant to make that Rogue/Rouge joke above (because I totally did…) and I’ll see you all next week!