Ask 411 Wrestling: Was Brock Lesnar the Best Choice to End the Streak?

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Smart Fans Ruin Everything: I fully understand and agree that you should ignore whatever people say online, myself included, when you book. At best you can use it as an occasional check as to how people are reacting to your product, but you shouldn’t book just to please smart fans.

But, just because smart fans want something, doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Pushing ahead with a storyline that isn’t popular at first is a fine line, if you aren’t able to see some improvement after a while, the prudent course is to switch. If I could give you specifics or metrics I’d be running my own company, but suffice to say multiple crowds chanting against your planned direction in all its forms is NOT something you want to fight.

Why would WWE hire me?: Under the pissed off Aussie Sportsman storyline, I’d have debuted already as the Miz’s private security, or gotten in by saving Emma from a beat down and then turning on her immediately after getting a contract or something. But honestly, I don’t think I could really pull that gimmick off, I don’t look the part. At least not yet.

Canadians I’ve Beaten: That was what we in the business call A Lie, Mr. Helton. At least, so far.

Ambrose and Austin: I didn’t include a Chandler because I wasn’t really being Sarcastic (Full Chandler) or Sardonic (Half Chandler), but then I’m sure someone can go back and find me using them where I was neither of those, so my apologies.

And just to lay all my cards out, I’ll give you my take on Ambrose as Austin now, so we’re clear.

So, is Dean Ambrose the next Steve Austin?

See, the issue here is that the question is often asked and then the answer get misinterpreted. Because of that, I need to split this up into two parts.

Does Ambrose have the ability to become the next Steve Austin? I think he does, in that he’s one of the best talkers around right now, has a unique charisma in the ring, and what he lacks in star presence he makes up for in in-ring work, which is more important than it was when Stone Cold rose to the heights of the title, given his neck.

Will Ambrose be the next Steve Austin? Not is WWE has anything to say about it. See, this is the problem, Ambrose may have the tools, the ability, presence, but he is now in a company that would prefer 20 Randy Ortons to 1 Steve Austin, and they’ve already decided that their next Cena will be Reigns, so Ambrose will not be allowed to get to Austin’s level…

Unless he gets the same amount of breaks as Austin did. Remember, Austin 3:16 which begat everything only occurred because of the Curtain Call leading to Austin getting the nod early. And then the neck injury led to him being held back from wrestling but he was still allowed to show up thus driving people crazy with wanting to see him wrestle again… And then Montreal happened, giving Austin’s blue collar drinking redneck the perfect foil to fight off against and make everyone zillions. Austin was meant to be just a solid upper mid heel, not Hogan 2.0.

So, if Reigns gets the nod to win the title at WM but he and Brock have a lame match and then Rollins gets an injury and thus he gets MITB and then his tweener pursuit of Reigns taps into the zeitgeist about the pursuit of glory or something, if things fall into place, sure, he could get there. But right now, the deck is stacked against it. But there’s always the next shuffle…

The Trivia Crown

Who am I? I’m currently on the WWE roster. Two of my (related) WWE accomplishments share a certain numerical similarity. The managers I’ve had are split 50-50 in terms of gender. I once beat John Cena in a sort of popularity contest (mainly due to who got to vote). One of my reigns was quite long, while I’ve held another title for less than a day. I once renamed a title, and myself, and my finisher, and am on the wrong end of a Royal Rumble record. Who am I?

Matt Boogie has it.

-Currently on WWE Roster
-Numerical similarity: 20th Triple Crown Winner/10th Grand Slam Winner??
-Managers split 50/50 in terms of gender: Uncle Zebekiah, Jackyl, Shawn Michaels, Amy Weber, Jacqueline, Jillian Hall
-Beat John Cena in a popularity contest: Kurt Angle’s Great American Award
-Long title reign: WWE Champion for 280 days
-Hardcore champion for less than a day on multiple occasions
-Renamed a title: Texas Hardcore Champion
-Renamed myself: Bradshaw/JBL
-Renamed Finisher: Clothesline from Hell/Clothesline from Wall Street
-Wrong end of a Royal Rumble Record: Lost shortest singles match ever at the Rumble to The Boogeyman??

You are: John Bradshaw Layfield!!

Although the wrong end thing was that he was one of the 12 people Roman Reigns eliminated in his record run. I’ll make this week’s easier.

Who am I? I once changed alignment during a title run, I was involved in a very important tag team main event match, and I once got in trouble over undeveloped film. My long time partner died of a heart attack, although most people remember me with one of two other partners. I was the oldest man to win something, and I tried to do the right thing before Christian got in my way. I’ve wrestled, done commentary, done ring announcing, refereed, and worked backstage. Who am I?

Getting Down To Business/One Man’s (Important) Opinion

Piero starts us off with some fantasy booking. Starting strong, I am…

If you should “replay” the Megapowers angle, who would you use and how ?
You can choose any wrestler active in the last 5 years.

Hmm. Well depending on how broadly you define it, you could argue the Megapowers angle has been replayed a couple times in that time frame, in that if you boil it down to “guys feud over woman” then the AJ/Punk/Kane/Bryan thing could sort of count as a rehash. Go back further and the Angle/HHH/Steph thing was a redo. Heck, even the Bully Ray/Hogans could sorta kinda count.

But if you’re going strict 2 guys, 1 girl, 0 pizza places, who would I take? Without the time frame I’d just fix the Steph/HHH/Angle one, with Steph turning on HHH to go with Angle, but with the time frame…

I’ll give you two. If I have to stick to reality in terms of having to do this with a team up that currently makes sense, then I’d have Hunter start to get suspicious as to how Steph starts hanging out with Rollins a lot now, she’s taken him under her wing and is giving him advice, as she tells Hunter. Eventually he confronts Seth, Seth claims it’s all above board, and then Steph orchestrates a cash in for him (Brock has to defend in an Iron Man match against Bryan say, Bryan outlasts Brock, Rusev comes out and kills Bryan, Seth saunters out and pins Bryan to win belt), when HHH is all ‘That wasn’t the plan’ Seth kills him and leaves arm in arm with Steph, leading to Seth w/Steph V HHH for the belt V HHH’s career at WM. Seth over because if I’m fantasy booking why not go the whole hog?

If I can just pick three people I think could do well in that role, regardless of actual storylines in play and just run the thing pretty much verbatum? Punk plays Savage, Bryan plays Hogan, Maria plays Liz.

Also, give us a “gender-switched” version with 2 ladies and a guy.

Gail Kim plays Savage, Bailey plays Hogan, I play Liz.

Stunning Steve wants to talk about the MITB Briefcase…

So, as I type this, Brock Lesnar has had the WWE belt for all of 24 hours and we’re already hearing about who he may face at Wrestlemania 31. More on that in a moment…….

First question, WHY does the Money In The Bank winner *always* carry the briefcase to the ring with him? I’m watching Seth Rollins vs. Dean Ambrose on RAW as I type this. There’s nothing on the line. Why does Rollins have the briefcase with him? What’s stopping Ambrose (or anybody else) from taking the briefcase and thus stealing his title shot?

The legit reason he carries it around with him is to remind you he holds it to annoy you, to use it as a weapon, and it’s pretty much a title now so why shouldn’t it be represented?

The storytelling reasons are that he carries it around with him because of theft. If he leaves it backstage, it could vanish and he’d never know who took it, if he carries it with him at all times he can defend it, and if it is taken he knows who by and, most importantly, he’s ready to cash in at any time. Hey, you never know, Brock might be backstage enjoying a Competitor’s brand beer when his entire small intestine might blow up, leaving him in a puddle and dying, and Seth would want to be ready for that. It’s been established that the case has the contract in it and you must surrender the case/contract to cash in.

(That’s part of my dream cash in storyline, is to take the contract out then ‘cash in’ the case, lose, wait, then really cash in later on.)

However, after the Sandow/Cody thing, stealing the case only inconveniences the holder. Unless you win the thing in a match, holding the case doesn’t mean you now have the shot. Dean stealing the contract only means Seth can’t cash in, doesn’t mean he can use it.

… Actually, that would be pretty cool, if/when Seth cashes in, he opens it to find that Dean stole it months ago and he’s been carrying around an empty case all this time…

Second question………… If Brock Lesnar was always the long-term choice to defeat John Cena and indeed still be around to defend the belt at WM 31, why the hell did Seth Rollins win Money In the Bank? First off, if Cena can’t beat Lesnar, there’s no way Rollins is beating him. Second, where’s the logic in Rollins vs Lesnar? Where’s the money? Will that sell PPV’s? How will that angle even start? Do you see Rollins losing his MITB shot via theft (as mentioned), or foolishly putting it on the line in a match just to prove a point? Because Lesnar vs Rollins, I just ain’t buyin’ it.

Although Wrestlemania is supposed to be where storylines end and everything comes to a crescendo, you do have to think about the night after, and the night after that. Rollins won in order to establish that him turning Corporate has gone well for him so far, to give Ambrose a way to screw him around, to push him a bit (because although the track record is a little spotty, winning MITB is a medium sized deal, somewhat quickly) and, most importantly, to set off Reigns V Seth V Dean after WM31, assuming Hunter wins and Reigns is the guy to beat Brock.

Plus it’s a back up, if Brock decides he wants to become a professional poker player or something, worst case scenario, they have Seth walk out with the belt next Raw and say he went to Brock’s home and beat him half to death with Sable or something and cashed in.

But it’s mainly to do the Shield thing, I would guesstimate.

Interesting!

F5 EVERYONE asks if you are in the minority.

Yes, you. Guy or girl or other reading this right now.

My question relates to “internet fans” today and if that term should even exist anymore. I feel like in 1996 this was an accurate term…even into the early 2000s. But in 2014, is there a very small 2% of the wrestling audience that is super-insider smart marks that the other 98% of the audience doesn’t know what they know?? Basically everyone has a computer these days and a simple google for “WWE” will lead you to “insider” webpages and “dirtsheets”. Case in point…the obnoxious CM Punk chants almost every week directed at AJ Lee. Is this a handful of internet dorks chanting this or is this 15-18K people in an arena chanting it? Another example is with the god awful Daniel Bryan affair angle that caused Claire Lynch to trend worldwide on twitter. Is that a handful of people doing #ClaireLynch? I get that 10-12 years ago, WWE could say that there is a small amount of fans who not what is going on behind the scenes but there is no way that is still the case in 2014.

And then you have HHH talking about his friend “Mark” after the shitty Battleground PPV as if 20 dorks complained about it on the internet. No, the show sucked..and you received a lot of backlash about it from the vast majority of your entire universe. They want to talk about how big and cool they are on Twitter. You need the internet to have a twitter account.

I hope my point comes across in this e-mail..that I don’t think negativity or complaining about an angle or show should come across as from “internet fans” anymore. I have to feel like maybe 85% of a 15,000 people stadium for a show knows somewhat the behind the scenes happenings, knows its a work etc. This isn’t 1985 anymore.

Hopefully, you can expand on this with your thoughts and tell me if I’m on the right track or dead wrong…

P.S. People should stop complaining about WWE Network, you get all the PPVs for $120 plus a shitload of classic wrestling and some original programming. If you don’t like it, then don’t renew. I’m sick of people complaining about it like they are forced to subscribe to it.

Let’s deal with a few points first before I tackle the main issue.

Trending on Twitter is actually pretty easy to do. See, the way trending works on Twitter is that any term or hashtag that has a sudden upswing in tweets about it gets on the list. So when you take a term that no one is talking about, like #ClaireLynch, and then there’s a small bunch of tweets about it, that’s a huge percentage upswing for that term, so it gets on the list. Compare that to say Football or Dinner or any basic term. At any one time lots and lots of people are talking about that, and so it would need a lot more people to suddenly mention that to get on the list.

So if everyone reading this tweeted something with the hashtag ‘#Sforcina’, say, that might well start to trend since no-one was using it now a few people are. Whereas if everyone reading this tweeted something with ‘wrestling’ in it, that probably wouldn’t trend since that gets mentioned a lot anyway.

As for chanting, the thing is, unless a crowd is dead or heavily papered or tired or some other outside force is acting upon it, if you try and get a chant started, it’ll probably catch on. Wrestling fans are people, and people in general love to chant stuff. So give them a place where they are allowed to do so, and then have a few people all start something, you can get a crowd to chant stuff that they know fairly easily. CM Punk, that the fans know how to chant and want to. We Support Women’s Wrestling, on the other hand, would not work since no-one knows the cadence for that.

As for the overall point about smart/internet fans as a percentage, the term internet fan is pretty meaningless now, in that if you can attend a wrestling show, chances are you’re online in some form or another. So the idea that merely being online means you’re a ‘smart/smark/whatever’ fan is stupid. That’s where the IWC term becomes handy, if a little silly. A wrestling fan with Facebook is not in the IWC. A wrestling fan reading this is in the IWC.

So how much of a percentage of the wrestling audience are IWC members? I obviously don’t have the numbers on that, and it varies so wildly from city to city I couldn’t even begin to guess. But it’s more than WWE would credit, and less than the IWC will claim. And even then, knowing that wrestling is predetermined doesn’t mean you are a cynical git, it just means you have a brain and can recall simple facts.

But the IWC is, as a rule, made up of a large number of cynical gits, so there is something to be said to not focusing too much on what the IWC says on how to fix the problems. But if they say there’s a problem, might as well review your work once to make sure…

The IWC is still a minority, and the IWC is not everyone online, not by a long shot. When the IWC complains, you can ignore it. But once it crosses over to chanting, then there’s an issue. And if the IWC and the crowds overall agree on a problem, then YOU have a problem…

Nightwolf wants a few fantasy matches.

If you could have any of these wrestlers wrestle wrestlers from the past, who would you have them face and why?

Cesaro Brian Pillman, who’s the right mix of tiny (so Cesaro can toss him around), tough (so they can have strike offs) and totally crazy (so the match is interesting).

Brock Lesnar I’d say Hulk Hogan but they did that already, and it was pretty cool. So I’ll go Day-Glo Sting, because his matches with Vader were wonderfully wonderful, and Lesnar is Vader with sponsorship.

Dean Ambrose Am I getting to build up to these things? Because if so I’d like 3 months of Ambrose and Raven talking and playing mind games until they went Full ECW on each other please. Failing that, Ricky Steamboat and Jake Roberts in a three way, mainly so I can get a DDT/Dirty Deeds double team. Steamboat if you insist on 1 on 1.

Seth Rollins Now this is a hard one, in that Rollins is one of those guys who is good to great at everything and thus hard to set up a dream match with. So, when it doubt, go with Ric Flair.

Roman Reigns Vader. Reigns needs someone to run the match still, and him knocking Vader out with Superman/Spear combo would be pretty darn cool.

KENTA CM Punk.

It’s a cliché, but Hogan V KENTA, assuming Hogan could survive working with him, would make a hell of a lot of money on the house show circuit running the Hogan V Evil Foreigner deal. Failing that, I’d kinda like to see Backlund, in that style mishmashes can work well if the people involved work it out, and Backlund’s tech and underrated brawling V KENTA’s kicks and tech? That can work…

Prince Devitt See Rollins… To continue the different guy for every one here, I’ll go with Savage because Savage is awesome, Devitt is awesome, awesome X awesome is double awesome.

Wyatt Family The Rockers and Roddy Piper, Rockers to bump like hell and Piper to show just how crazy the Wyatts truly are.

Jack Swagger Nikita Koloff, because ‘MERCIA!

David takes us back to the Streak.

I’ve got a question about the streak.

Let’s imagine we live in a world where the streak HAD to end (for the sake of the argument, Undertaker goes to Vince at Summerslam last year and says that he wants to wrestle at Wrestlemania, and must lose). Was there really any logical choice other than Brock Lesnar to end it?

When it happened, I was in the same boat as a lot of other people – Brock’s too old, he doesn’t need it, he only wrestles limited dates, it could have benefited someone else. But then I tried to think who I would have preferred break the streak.

There’s no point ending the streak unless you can use it for a future story (which rules out Shawn Michaels and others that retired). But then if you choose someone who wrestles week-in, week-out, how do you develop and benefit from the story. For the sake of the argument, let’s say Cesaro, Roman Reigns or Randy Orton broke the streak. They need to turn up and wrestle on pretty much every RAW and Smackdown. How would I ever get invested in another match they have on those events? I know they beat the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, what is the prospect of them losing to Dean Ambrose on RAW? After a month I’ll either be bored (because they are demolishing everyone) or very disappointed (because they will lose in silly ways which devalues the fact that they beat the streak).

All of which suggests that a part-timer is the perfect person to break the streak. They are around to use the story to elevate others, but not around enough that the novelty wears off. That means we’re left with HHH (who doesn’t need it because he’s got the COO stuff to build up his character), Batista (who may not be around any more, and would probably be difficult to portray as an unstoppable monster when he’s previously traded wins with the main event guys), Jericho (just doesn’t seem right – he’s lost too much and only comes back for short stints), the Rock (can’t be guaranteed to be around that much, and it wouldn’t work well with his continuing face character) and Brock. Brock can work as a monster, isn’t around too much but is generally available (i.e. he’s not trying to match up with a movie or music career), is never expected to wrestle non-marquee matches.

Thoughts? If you were told you had to break the streak last year, who was a better option than Brock?

See, I have to pull you up on something there, about the Streak having to be useful for a future story. The thing is, now that the Streak is dead, Taker pretty much has nothing left, in that given he can’t work a normal schedule, which is totally understandable, the Streak was all he had left going onwards, now it’s a case of maybe there’ll be another match, but it’s not imperative.

So the end of the Streak was a story end in of itself. And thus you need to get as much money and interest out of that one match as you can. And that leads you to one name.

John Cena.

For better or worse, he is THE Guy in WWE. And booking Cena V Taker, Career vs Streak, that would have made all the moneys. After all, obviously Cena’s not going to lose, he won’t retire… But it’s the Streak! It can’t end, can it? That’s how you maximise your money short term.

Long term, I agree that Brock is pretty much the best choice they had, in that WWE would ensure that anyone young or full time would quickly get jobbed out on the basis that they’d think that would elevate everyone, but in actuality it just drags everyone down. Brock winning turns him into the Bonus Final Secret Boss of the WWE, and that’s as good a place for him as you’ll get.

If WWE were booked old school, you’d have given it to someone like Cesaro and make him for life, but obviously that would never happen now so there’s no point thinking about it.

So yeah, given the state of WWE right now, Cena would have been the best choice, but Brock’s a strong 2nd place.

Raza has a question that I can now answer given my internet has returned.

which year’s Royal Rumble have had maximum numbers of past and future WWE Champions who have held the belt atleast once (not World Heavyweight Champions). For e.g. 1995 event had only two i.e Shawn Michaels and Bob Buckland.

1988: 2 (Bret Hart, Ultimate Warrior)
1989: 4 (Andre The Giant, Shawn Michaels, Randy Savage, Hulk Hogan)
1990: 6 (Randy Savage, Bret Hart, Andre The Giant, Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, Shawn Michaels)
1991: 3* (Bret Hart, The Undertaker, Hulk Hogan. Randy Savage was scheduled but did not actually enter)
1992: 7 (Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, Randy Savage, Hulk Hogan, Sgt. Slaughter, Sid Justice)
1993: 5 (Ric Flair, Bob Backlund, The Undertaker, Yokozuna, Randy Savage)
1994: 5 (Diesel, Bob Backlund, Randy Savage, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart)
1995: 2 (Shawn Michaels, Bob Backlund)
1996: 7* (Hunter Hearse Helmsley, Bob Backlund, Yokozuna, Shawn Michaels, Diesel, The Ringmaster, Isaac Yankem [if you count him])
1997: 7 (Steve Austin, Hunter Hearse Helmsley, Bret Hart, Diesel, Rocky Maivia, Mankind, the Undertaker)
1998: 4-6* (The Rock, Blackjack Bradshaw, Steve Austin, Mick Foley X3)
1999: 5 (Steve Austin, Mr McMahon, Edge, Kane, Triple H)
2000: 7 (Edge, Bob Backlund, Chris Jericho, The Rock, Big Show, Bradshaw, Kane)
2001: 7 (Jeff Hardy, Kane, The Rock, Bradshaw, Big Show, The Undertaker, Steve Austin)
2002: 9 (Bradshaw, The Undertaker, Jeff Hardy, Steve Austin, Triple H, Kurt Angle, Big Show, Kane, Rob Van Dam)
2003: 12 (Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, Rey Mysterio, Edge, Rob Van Dam, Eddie Guerrero, Jeff Hardy, John Cena, Kane, Batista, Brock Lesnar, The Undertaker)
2004: 9 (Randy Orton, Bradshaw, Kane, Kurt Angle, Mick Foley, Big Show, Chris Jericho, John Cena, Rob Van Dam)
2005: 10 (Eddie Guerrero, Edge, Rey Mysterio, Chris Jericho, Shawn Michaels, Kurt Angle, John Cena, Kane, Batista, Ric Flair)
2006: 8 (Triple H, Rey Mysterio, Ric Flair, Big Show, Kane, Rob Van Dam, Shawn Michaels, Randy Orton)
2007: 10 (Ric Flair, Edge, Kane, CM Punk, Jeff Hardy, Randy Orton, Rob Van Dam, Shawn Michaels, The Miz, The Undertaker)
2008: 9 (The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Batista, CM Punk, The Miz, Kane, Mick Foley, Triple H, John Cena)
2009: 10 (Rey Mysterio, Triple H, Randy Orton, Chris Jericho, The Miz, The Undertaker, CM Punk, Kane, Rob Van Dam, Big Show)
2010: 10 (CM Punk, Triple H, Kane, The Miz, Shawn Michaels, John Cena, Big Show, Chris Jericho, Edge, Batista)
2011: 10 (CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, John Cena, King Sheamus, Rey Mysterio, Diesel, Big Show, Alberto Del Rio, Randy Orton, Kane)
2012: 6 (The Miz, Mick Foley, Sheamus, Randy Orton, Chris Jericho, Big Show)
2013: 8 (Chris Jericho, Sheamus, Rey Mysterio, John Cena, Daniel Bryan, Kane, Randy Orton, The Miz)
2014: 9 (CM Punk, Kane, Kevin Nash, Sheamus, The Miz, JBL, Alberto Del Rio, Batista, Rey Mysterio)

So 2003 wins, which is odd, considering that Rumble sucked.

From Rumbles to Comics, thanks to Rahil.

Why does Chris Daniels have Marvel Agents of Shield logo on his wrestling gear?

Because he’s a big comic book fan, heck he’s written a comic book featuring himself and Kazarian. Heck, you can even buy a t-shirt of the logo if you like.

That’s it really. Sometimes the answer is just that simple.

And to finish, what we all came here to see, Hardcore Nudity! David?

Someone sent me a link and as you can see it naked women wresting. I’m sure there is a porn sub-genre like this but the actual women appear to be trained, as they a chain wrestling and bumping properly, the commenter don’t seem to acknowledge the girls are naked and there is a crowd who don’t seem to be extras. Is this some strange sub-genre of wrestling? Why would trained female wrestlers compete naked and why would fans attend this type of event?

You’ll notice the link is not there, and it ain’t gonna be there. It was Annie Social vs. Trish The Dish from NWWL, the Naked Women’s Wrestling League. You can probably find it if you must see it, it’s still there. Suffice to say that it’s a standard women’s wrestling match expect the wrestlers are naked, the ref is topless and the manager is in a bikini. All of them are female, for the record.

Anyway, NWWL is one of a few attempts at merging wrestling with naked women, and is probably the one that got the most traction in the States, in that it did get some publicity due to involvement from Carmen Electra and Jimmy Hart and such. Its main competitor was Women’s Erotic/Extreme Wrestling, which is also defunct but still offers downloads and DVDs somewhere, apparently.

So yeah, it’s a subgenre on the basis that everything will eventually have a version with women in little or no clothing, from football to haircuts to everything in between. As for what fans would attend, I presume fans who like wrestling and like naked women and have made some poor life choices? I dunno, I’m not one of them, I like to keep my wrestling and my naked ladies separate.

Now the women involved, who and why they would be, there’s two main types. There’s women who are wrestlers and not too picky about bookings or at least willing to wear little clothing or nothing at all while wrestling for a pay check (in what little I found, I guess not every match was fully naked). But for the most part, the naked women appear to be women who already take their clothes off for money who were then trained to wrestle, NWWL sending women to Ron Hutchinson, who has trained Edge, Christian, Trish Stratus, Gail Kim and a bunch more people.

But a couple women, Annie Social, April Hunter, Melissa Coates, they were trained prior and just took the job, although Annie was originally found by WEW as an oil wrestler.

Of course, they didn’t last long, as the Attitude era fans I presume they were trying to appeal to grew up and went away, and today there’s Ultimate Surrender to appeal to whoever it is that likes this sort of thing.

And on that judgemental note, I bid you all goodnight for now, and we’ll be back next week with a normal edition. Hopefully.