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Csonka’s WWE Survivor Series 2014 Review

November 24, 2014 | Posted by Larry Csonka
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Csonka’s WWE Survivor Series 2014 Review  

Introduction
As a reminder, this will not be another traditional recap, but instead it will be a mash up of the Rs, Instant Analysis and my usual Twitter ramblings I would do during the shows; completely uncensored and as the ideas flow unfiltered to the old keyboard. Remember, this is a review; and I am here to review the show. As always, I encourage discussion and even disagreement, just do so in a respectful manner. I will be doing the review for Raw and most PPVs and iPPVs going forward.

“FOR ONLY $9.99 MICHAEL!”

WWE Survivor Series 11.23.14


OFFICIAL RESULTS
~ Tag Team Title Match: Miz and Sandow defeated Usos, Goldust and Stardust © and Los Matadores @ 15:20 via pin to become the new champions [**¾]
~ Team Natalya defeated Team Paige @ 14:30 via pin [**]
~ Bray Wyatt defeated Dean Ambrose @ 14:00 via DQ [***¼]
~ Adam Rose and The Bunny defeated Slater Gator @ 2:30 via pin [NR Under Three Minutes Long]
~ Divas Title Match: Nikki Bella defeated AJ Lee © @ 0:30 via pin to become the new champion [NR Under Three Minutes Long]
~ Team Cena defeated Team Authority @ 43:00 via pin [****]


Opening PPV Talky Bit: Listen, we all know my feelings on the show opening talking. I dislike it on TV, and I loathe it on PPV. This was a segment that they either A) should have run on Raw to add some spice to the build or B) advertised Vince appearing on the pre-show to draw people to that. It would have been better than the “reintroduction” of Fandango or Swagger vs. Cesaro part 75. Like most of these segments, it served a purpose, but comes off as the same old same old because they do it all the damn time.

Tag Team Title Match: I actually like all four teams involved, they are different and can entertain. I was looking forward to the match a lot, but felt it underachieved a bit. It felt sluggish and slow in the bad way in the middle. The beginning felt solid, but then it just felt slow because they were stretching what was likely a good 11-minute plan into 15. The ending part was well done and picked up the pace, which was appreciated, but I had hoped for more. They continued the tease all match long with Sandow not getting into the match, which was done well. My thought was that is Miz and Sandow won it had to be Sandow winning to infuriate Miz, who would then take all the credit. The crowd loved Sandow, they loved that he won and Miz looked pissed. He then took both titles and celebrated while Sandow had to pantomime in the other corner. So we had a good overall match, I liked the title change and felt that the Miz/Sandow dynamic played out well so it ended up as a good combo platter to open the show as far as the in ring goes.

Team Natalya vs. Team Paige: I felt that the Divas match was a solid outing. It had some hiccups at times, and similar to the opener felt a little long. I was glad to see the ladies get some actual time, but you have to make sure that they have the tools (match layout) to go that long. Some hiccups and some stalling held back my enjoyment of this a bit. Also, I have no issue with the face team doing the clean sweep here. I know some felt that it “buried” Paige, but she was left alone and allowing Naomi to look good and get some momentum was needed to get some fresh momentum on someone new in the division. Again, not bad and at times pretty entertaining, but it could have benefited from losing a few minutes.

Bray Wyatt vs. Dean Ambrose: Bray Wyatt defeated Dean Ambrose, by DQ on this show, and I felt that they showed that they can work together pretty well. Thankfully they worked this match like there was some hate and drama, with Ambrose attacking right at the bell, no lock up shit because he hates this man. That’s the kind of thing I can appreciate. The DQ was caused by Wyatt bringing a chair into the ring, and Ambrose using it and then destroying him with chairs, tables and burying him under them and standing tall on a ladder. They clearly were setting the stage for TLC, and that was confirmed latter when WWE announced that they would face off in a TLC match on that show. The match was good, and they set up next month so I really don’t have a lot of complaints with this.

Adam Rose and The Bunny vs. Slater Gator: This match was added to the show when the teams involved had a backstage segment involving a WWE toy shill segment. Yup, they were filling time. The wrestling wasn’t very good, and this was all about causing more drama between Rose and the Bunny. The Bunny got the win and got carried away by the Exotic Express while Adam Rose looked sad. This was nothing but a filler segment, which would have been better placed on TV. The set up was horrible. This really should have been in the “death spot” because the crowd always reacts in some way to the Adam Rose entrance/exit. Also it was a late bullshit addition that no one cares about. Nikki vs. AJ should have had a better position, whether it was short or not.

Divas Title Match: I know a lot of people didn’t seem to like this, but I actually did. As much as I can dislike quick title changes, I think I get what they are doing. Brie is almost free from being Nikki’s slave for 30 days. I have theorized in the build to the PPV that Brie would actually help Nikki win the title to make her sister happy. Brie isn’t turning heel, because in a few days she’s free and can then go back after Nikki, only now Nikki has the title. Brie can now fight not only for revenge, but also for the title. Did it involve a completely awkward diva on diva kiss, yes, but I think its part of a bigger story. Also the call back to AJ kissing D-Bry and him losing to Sheamus in 18-seconds was actually well done by commentary. Since they were forced into the death spot, they at least kept it quick and as long as they follow up on it properly, I don’t have a problem with what they did.

Team Cena vs. Team Authority – Sting Debuts: This main event wasn’t perfect, but I felt that they did more right than wrong here and overall I enjoyed the last hour of the show. There was a lot of overbooking with all of the shenanigans, and that was expected going into the match with the big stipulations that were set for it. As long as you do not do this all the time, and wait for something big like this, i can roll with overbooking and shenanigans. I liked the Big Show turn, it will keep Cena preoccupied until Rumble and also played into the mind games that the Authority played on team Cena. He thought that they were in trouble, and decided to bail and save his ass, and I can roll with that. Also, team Cena wins he is safe, but has to deal with the people he turned on. Authority wins and he’s golden, he played both sides. Cena being taken out early was also good, since we got the focus on Ziggler. The fans have wanted it and they got it and responded well to him fighting for his life. I felt that they did a great job with Ziggler, sure you have to suspend your disbelief a bit as he overcomes Kane and Harper, but I am willing to do that because it was entertaining and told a good story. They have been so hot and cold with Ziggler, but this was a great night for him. You HAVE to follow up with him. The guy stays over with shitty booking, but the performance was great and needs to be built off of. If they make the mistake not to, then he was just the guy to take a beating. You have to take the chances to make stars, and Ziggler worked hard and connected with the crowd again, take the chance.

And then there’s Sting. Sting was always labeled the conscience of WCW, always fighting for what was right. The Authority is running wild on WWE forever a year, screwing people over and over again. Sting makes the big debut; he stops the evil that is Triple H and leaves. The stand off, while maybe a bit long, was received well and felt like a big moment. So much for the people that said that WWE fans won’t know who he is. I felt that they did a good payoff with ending the Authority angle, and introducing Sting. Hell, they chanted “this is awesome” for their standoff. The fact that they got the big reaction played into the overall package of the angle and the story that they were telling in the match. Overall this was a very good main event presentation, and coming out of this we could easy get the following:

~Cena vs. Show
~Harper vs. Rowan
~Ziggler vs. Rollins
~And eventually Triple H vs. Sting

* End scene.

* Thanks for reading.

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The 411
I didn’t think that there was anything really bad on this show, outside of the addition and “build” for the Adam Rose and The Bunny vs. Slater Gator. But I felt that this was far from a great show. Much of the early portion of the show felt like Raw, solid matches, opening talking segment, mixed crowd. That’s not exactly what I would have strived to put on during the month where you have people accessing the Network for free in order to get new subscribers, but that’s what they did. Again, it was largely fine, but felt like the same old.

I did like the tag title change and stuff that they are doing with Sandow and Miz, the dynamic is good and feels fun. I liked the Divas title change. AJ felt stale, and while I don’t think that Nikki and Brie will bring new life, it makes sense coming out of the slave storyline. Naomi had a really good showing, and hopefully they can get ready to position her to be a player in the division. Also I enjoyed Wyatt vs. Ambrose and the fact that they locked them into a TLC match already. It was simple and made sense.

Finally I felt they did a lot of good work with the main event. The match was good, the story was good; we got the debut of Sting and the end of the Authority’s reign of terror and several potential matches coming out of it. Also you have another chance to really get behind Ziggler after another great performance and the reaction from the crowd.

The early part of the show was a bit slow and under whelming, but the main event paid off well and secured a good rating for the show. It delivered where it needed to, but I’d hope that they don’t get into the habit of putting on one match shows, because not every show will have a great performance and or surprise to pull a mediocre event into a good show. But that’s just my opinion.

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  • Billy

    I like the positivity, sir. Watching the comment section bash the Divas matches and the main event just made me wonder why people even watch if they hate everything about it so much. Maybe they should watch something they enjoy.

    • Scott

      …or maybe you can like something without loving every part of it.

    • Ace

      I thpught you were having a shit and watching from the throne room, i told you it was the right place to sit when sting shows up 😉

      • Billy

        Finished my poopies before the Sting appearance but then had to return.

    • Defective

      I’m not speaking for others, but when I read that report of what the Divas title match was, I was really confused at first before coming to an understanding of the bigger picture.

    • Ice Dagger

      “No True Scotsman…”

    • $47546490

      Who, exactly? “The comment section” is made out of many people, most of which are parroting the same “If you didn’t enjoy this, you aren’t a fan”, so who was bitching?

      • Billy

        You were.

        • $47546490

          Well, that’s complete nonsense. Wasn’t on the board during the PPV, haven’t made a comment on the PPV as a whole and I really enjoyed the main event.

          Wanna try that again, Bill?

          • $47546490

            Whoever ‘we’ is can just look at my previous posts and see that I didn’t.

          • Billy

            Because you deleted them all just to win a silly Internet argument? What a waste of time dude. Congrats.

          • $47546490

            Hahaha, sure thing, buddy. Whatever you say.

  • HellloooNewman

    Wonder if this give credence to the “AJ is leaving” rumors.

    • AngryBeaver

      If she is leaving – she “left on her back” – which is something her husband didn’t do.

      • PJ_Almighty42

        Well, she’s a girl…So…

      • katamari damacy

        CM Punk left on his back. He was chokeslamed through a table by that young ‘un Kane.

      • Ice Dagger

        I seem to recall him jobbing clean to Roman Reigns a matter of weeks before Punk left you to your abandonment issues.

  • Wrestling Fan

    I said it in the other review – if the 2nd ref had simply done his job and DQ’d Rollins because of all the Authority interference, which was plentiful and blatant, the Sting hoopla would never have happened.
    We were given the great, memorable ending and debut all because WWE referees are so painfully incompetent that they can’t even call for the right ending at the right time.

    • JSawyer80

      So are the refs in real sports, so what’s the big deal?

    • Dedicated Underachiever

      IT”S STILL REAL TO YOU!!!

    • neverAcquiesce

      Maybe there’s a note in the referee rule book about a replacement ref only being able to enforce something once they’re the official in charge and not anythig that took place before. Quick, ask Jericho!

      • Shadow

        Cosidering this is one of hose wrestling logic things it’s possible. Not the largest leap in logic wrestlingwise and ultimately refs are a device to be used in whatever way makes the story they want to tell work.

    • I think it was a no DQ match

      • Shadow

        Despite the lunacy of listening to Michael Colehe did mention several times that DQs and count-outs were a factor. That’s why HHH full KOed the refs you can’t DQ someone if you’re napping.

    • The Nerd Dragon

      I just assume the rules are meaningless. Why not? WWE does.

  • JSawyer80

    I felt it was a solid 8. Aside from Rose/Slater Gator, it all served a purpose and stayed relatively entertaining. They overdid the importance of the main event some, but it was nonetheless effective. Glad Dolph got the big push, Steph sold the loss like a champ, and Sting on a WWE event…..up there with Shane on WCW in the surreal moments of wrestling history. Oh, and Vince dropping that bomb on HHH and Steph, and how he smirked and hopped behind them after it? Priceless.

  • Scott

    Bullet points of opinion:

    1) SWEET FUCK HAVE THEY FINALLY REALIZED WHAT THEY HAVE WITH ZIGGLER?! Rollins ends another PPV and Ziggler looks like a world beater plus hands Rollins his first singles PPV loss.

    2) Another check-in with Reigns …and yet the guy who has the biggest issue with the authority in the whole company and is also injured doesn’t even get mentioned.

    3) I guess when a PPV is as free as an episode of Raw it’s naive to think we wouldn’t have to sit through an endless HHH/Steph promo at the start

    4) So they’re resetting Fandango and Cesaro (back to saying things in 5 different languages) as well?

    5) Kane outlasted Henry, Ryback and Rusev. Let that sink in.

    6) So it seems like the Reigns/Rusev plans have been changed to Rusev/Ryback? I guess that might be …slightly …better?

    7) HHH/Sting? I’m assuming they’ll do a HHH/Taker big move, lay down for two minutes, high spot, lay down for two minutes Wrestlemania thing?

    • katamari damacy

      Reigns/Rusev was asking for trouble. Rusev needs to win, Reigns needs to win. Ryback just ate a pin, he can eat another from Rusev. Then Ryback will go back to his team with Rybaxel.

      • Ice Dagger

        Reigns needs a win about as much as Cena needs a world title.

        Ryback should be dethroning Rusev for the belt, not building him up.

        • Shadow

          Not a joke but this shows that pushing more than two three faces max is too hard for them.

          • Ice Dagger

            Of course it is, only so many people can beat everyone! 😉

    • Fan since 97

      Great pionts until the Hhh/taker hate came in.

      • Scott

        Blowjob wannabe epic matches bore me

        • unami218

          I agree with you. Their second WM match (first of the 2 back to back matches, 2nd after the WM X7 match) almost put me to sleep. I liked the WM X7 match, and the final match, but not the middle match.

        • Fan since 97

          That’s most epic matches then.Ibhear that a lot about HHh matches espcialsly the ones with Shawn.I feel like those as well as the ones woh taker were classics.Not all macthes can be ROh wrestling classics.Some tell a great story as well.

          • Scott

            And some are old guys laying around in between power moves in lieu of telling a story

          • Fan since 97

            They are old what would you expect?Thryvare not going to be flying around like some nxt guys.

          • Scott

            I expected I wouldn’t like it and I was right.

          • Fan since 97

            Yeah it’s not for everybody.I personally loved their matches but to each it’s own I guess.

    • Technically they realised what they had with Ziggler two years ago when he was sole survivor on his team and got a clean pin over Randy Orton to do so.

      Then they put him into a feud with Cena and, surprise surprise, the momentum went bye-bye when he got flattened every single week.

    • Shadow

      Well Bryan DID get a mention i a sort of insulting way. They mentioned him in the AJ/Niki match but I do see your point,. They have a timetable on Reigns and Barretts return and not even a definite IF on Bryan’s.

  • IndianWrestlingFan

    In my opinion as well, they should’ve announced the stipulation (Cena your job’s on stake) atleast a couple of Raw’s in advance. It would have made more sense then and would have add intrigue to the whole match much in advance.
    Having said that I liked the ending of the main event. I am actually excited to see how they further Sting’s story from here. Thankfully Bray – Ambrose match was ok (I thought they would be bad given lack of story n all). The tag title match was also fine so all in all this was a good ppv.

  • katamari damacy

    Is Miz now considered the tag team specialist of his era?
    He’s won the Tag Titles in 3 different teams (Miz/Morrison, ShowMiz, MizDow) in 3 different time frames and in each team they were a legitimate non-thrown together team.
    It’s either him or Cody Rhodes (Legacy, Rhodes Scholars, Dust Brothers).

    • katamari damacy

      that’s right, the Awesome Truth. Wow, didn’t even realize Miz was such an accomplished tag specialist.

      • WarWithin

        I’ve always felt that his “mega-douche” persona plays off perfectly when he has a partner.

    • Ice Dagger

      Well, it’s more palatable than him in a singles match.

  • wcwfan

    He carried the banner all the way until wcw folded. Boy I never thought I’d see the day….even at 50+ yrs old, just downright surreal and freakin unbelievable to see him stand on that aisle step through wwe ropes after tens of years of being the savior. I’m not quite sure what else to say about it. As for his involvement, you put it best…if you’ve watched wrestling in the last 20 plus years, Sting is always the guy that stood for justice against what was wrong….so him deciding the final in that way isn’t random at all. They need to bring back the crow theme though. Lastly, I know there are some that see this as just another old guy debuting…but to understand the moment, you really have had to be a wrestling fan of the 80s or 90’s. This is something that was pretty much universally agreed on by many as something that would NEVER happen. Even if you don’t know or realize it, you just watched a legendary moment in wrestling history

    • Scott

      I was a fan in the 80s and 90s and while I also feel it was an awesome moment I’m not really interested in him having a match at all

      • Fan since 97

        Yeah we all know he sucks in the ring in 2014.

        • Jefferson D’Arcy

          He’s also 55 years old. And unlike Hogan, Sting can still take bumps. The Scorpion Death Drop on Triple H looked pretty sweet for a 55-year-old.

          • Michael Frias

            Say what you want about HHH and Kane, but they are still good enough to carry Sting and Undertaker to a decent 15 minute Tag Team match at WM if they go that route.

          • Scott

            We disagree on decent

          • Zeus

            HHH still always has passable matches. Sting VS HHH wouldn’t be a mat classic at this point, but it will be a serviceable match, likely with great moments, similar to Rock VS Hogan back in the day.

          • Jefferson D’Arcy

            I agree. And I’ve never badmouthed Triple H or Kane. I’m a fan of both. Kane isn’t all that great in the ring these days, but still in amazing shape for a 47-year-old 7-footer.

            Never even thought of a tag match. That’d be a hell of a special attraction match. With The Streak over, Taker doesn’t HAVE to compete in singles matches anymore, should he choose to compete next year, or ever again.

            Sting / Undertaker vs. Triple H / Kane isn’t a bad idea at all.

          • Michael Frias

            Exactly. And while Taker hasn’t always been the voice of reason on screen, it’s widely known that he’s the locker room leader when he’s around, so it would make sense for him to team with Sting. Combine their efforts to end the tyranny of The Authority.

        • Rob

          To be fair, Sting hasn’t had that many matches in 2014. Has Sting even been in a match since he left TNA? I am asking because I really don’t know.

          • Fan since 97

            Not that I know of but his last matches in tna were horrible but that’s just one mans opinion

          • Rob

            Oh no doubt they were bad. Hopefully all the time off he had will help him have better matches.

          • Ice Dagger

            WhatIs: Ring Rust?

          • Rob

            Of course there will be ring rust. What I mean (and I probably should’ve worded it better) is getting back to in ring shape.

      • His Bubbliness

        If they really needed washed-up, middle-aged, irrelevant ex-WCW stars who dress in black and white, they might as well have just reformed the NWO.

        • Megan Welles

          They did, like… 12 years ago.

          • His Bubbliness

            I choose to ignore the Dark Times.

          • Megan Welles

            Then I shouldn’t bring up their reunion back in August for Hogan’s birthday?

          • His Bubbliness

            *fingers in ears* la, la, la!!! Not listening! la, la, la!!!

      • LJFCAT

        I think if he’s really only going to have one match it can be great. He knows he’s never gonna wrestle again and this is his big moment; he can do the old Macho Man thing perhaps and work it out move-for-move, and go all out with the physicality knowing that sometime the next week he won’t be back in the ring getting slammed and smacked around again. I think with the right opponent – and HHH might be the right opponent, despite the doubters and the haters – he could have a great match.

        Consider this – HHH’s hero is, obviously, Ric Flair. You think HHH doesn’t want to go in there with Niatch’s nemesis and tear the house down?

        Hell, even if it’s just a good match, a simple wild brawl, heat spot, comeback, death drop, deathlock, tap, I think most would be happy. Happy endings are so rare in wrestling, that I can’t be alone in loving the ones we get to see – even if sometimes the character’s happy ending isn’t the man’s. Fingers crossed!

    • CoconutCrusher

      Yup, and I definitely agree about the Crow theme. One of my fav themes of all time, perfect fit and hope they’ll bring it back.

      Anyway, good intro for Sting, but I did find it kinda hard to suspend my disbelief that Rollins would be knocked out by the Zig Zag for more than 5 minutes. I would’ve had Sting point and knock out Trips with the bat, then as Dolph and Rollins came to, do his trademark “drop the bat in the middle of the ring and leave”. Dolph gets to the bat first, knocks Seth out, ref comes in, 123. Better finish, imo, and keeps Seth looking strong for requiring a foreign object to beat.

      • LJFCAT

        While I appreciate the idea, Sting hasn’t been on TV for a long time. 15 years, give or take. A lot of fans would probably find that very confusing.

        • Robert Gordon

          On TV for 15 yrs? What?

          • Pfunkstar

            Someone doesn’t watch TNA apparently…

          • Stan W.

            A lot of someones, actually…

      • CoconutCrusher

        Yeah, I just liked that intrigue of early Sting. While my WCW memories are fuzzy, I think he started out as more of a tweener, taking out the nWo, but not always siding with the faces either. Leaving the bat in the ring was a way of going, “Ok, I’ve cleared the outside interference, now you decide who wins” rather than the ending of last night which was more of “now I decide who wins.”

        • katamari damacy

          Agree, the Sting interference in that manner smacked of high handedness. Sting’s version of Justice MUST play out instead of the more neutral and fair tweener Sting who just cleared the inference and then let the match play out on its own. Hell I would have been happy had the same thing happened but Sting didn’t drape Ziggler over Rollins.

        • doctorburningfire

          Right. If I recall correctly, it wasn’t that he was a tweener so much as a face that was separated from the rest of the roster. He knew the nWo needed to be stopped, but he was hurt and offended that the WCW roster questioned his allegiance. So he kind of made it a point to fight against the nWo, but on behalf of justice, not the doubting WCW roster. Hence he didn’t always help them. I still don’t have a problem with how last night ended, and I don’t see a huge difference, because even just taking out Triple H wouldn’t have left it a “fair fight” between Ziggler and Rollins, because the cheating damage had already been done to Ziggler. On top of that, it was the (a?) payoff to such a long period of The Authority abusing power that it wasn’t like Sting was acting on just the one match, but on behalf of the past two years.

  • Michael L

    The problem with the Big Show turn is that it’s been done before, and under very similar circumstances–Show reluctantly turns to save his job. And if memory serves, Cena was the one he turned on the last time. I have to wonder if this was going to be Sheamus’ turn (which is sorely needed), and the injury to Sheamus forced some hasty rebooking.

  • Daniel Stein

    I don’t get it… If the big show sided with the authority, then why the heck wad he fighting them for 20 minutes and eliminated Mark Henry ???

    • JD Bergner

      He didn’t start on their side. As the match progressed, Show got worried that Team Cena was going to lose, and he would be fired. So he switched allegiance mid match, shook Trips hand to “beg forgiveness”, and got himself counted out to leave Team Cena short…

    • neverAcquiesce

      Show called an audible. He didn’t like the situation and figured what he did would leave Ziggler 3-on-1 and there’s NO WAY he can win that, right? So it can make sense.

    • CM Chunk

      If there is one constant in the universe, it is that Big Show will betray anyone at the drop of a hat.

    • It would’ve made so much more sense to start Henry against Ryback and run into a Meat Hook for the quick elimination – which would have also made Ryback’s early elimination seem more significant.

  • Richard Done

    So, why so many people are excited about old man Sting (in his shirt, of course)? Spoiler alert – his match with Trips is going to suck and you know it.

    • Fan since 97

      It will be better than sting/taker.

  • Jay $tack$

    well u know with the kids not knowing who he is tales the fun out of it not to mention changing his music but wit history + marketable masks/merch hopefully Wwe will take advantage of this once on a lifetime opportunity and use him right
    You remember the hype/Goldberg run ..

    • MrZ

      You can’t blame WWE for Goldberg’s run. They put him in the ring with the likes of Rock, Triple H, HBK, Jericho, Christian, and none of them could get any better than an average match out of him. Goldberg just wasn’t very good.

      • His match with the rock was pretty good even tho rock carried the match which why fans started cheering him and booing Goldberg

  • Billy

    The weird thing about St Louis is you’d expect since it’s close enough to Chicago (5 hour drive) there’d be more fans there but when I went to Royal Rumble there a few years back the crowd was pretty shitty. A guy posted on here a couple days ago that Milwaukee has some rabid fans and I’m wondering if they aren’t part of those crazy ass Chicago crowds and they end up not making the trip to St Louis.

    • Chicago fans will make the drive to Milwaukee before they will St. Louis since its a lot closer

      • Billy

        Yeah makes sense. I’ve never minded the drive to St Louis though.

      • Saint Michael +

        Also, no one wants to be in the War Zone known as STL right now. #handsupdontshoot

    • Fan since 97

      The St. Louis crowd is like Atlanta.kinda shitty.

  • MrZ

    Overall I really enjoyed the show. The main event was a lot of fun, Ziggler got to shine, and the WWE debut of Sting was fantastic. I’m glad I avoided reading any spoiler stuff. I never expected to see Sting tonight.
    But then there’s the Big Show. I get what their doing, but come on…
    2014: Big Show knocks out Cena during a match in an effort to avoid being fired, turning into a bad guy in the process.
    2013: Big Show knocks out Daniel Bryan as instructed by Triple H in an effort to avoid being fired, seemingly turning bad but he also knocks out Orton and is fired.
    2012: Big Show is fired, so he shows up and turns bad by knocking out Cena in an effort to save his job.

    • Fan since 97

      Damn I never noticed that.That man loves his job.

      • CCF

        WWE just can’t come up with anything better to do with him.

    • Rocky Racoon

      We already know where this is going to end up. In 2015 Big Show will knock out HHH and turn good again.

    • The Nerd Dragon

      Show is on his monthlies again.

  • JSL

    The only matches that I really liked were the Main Event and Ambrose/Wyatt. The rest felt like a commercial free Raw.

    • Fan since 97

      The opening match was good as well.

  • neverAcquiesce

    Kind of agree, and I was in the building. Funny enough the only person I saw with a Sting shirt (’98 Wolfpac) and makeup was a young kid. Still an unbelievable moment either way.

  • ispankmyham

    i’ll probably be in the minority for this, but i would have preferred randy orton in that spot rather than sting. have crazy orton go maniacal, get his revenge on the authority, beat the shit out of hhh and rollins, thus costing them the match.

    it would set up orton/rollins at the next ppv, and possibly orton/hhh (i know, people feel like it’s been done to death) at rr or wm.

    hell, with cena holding the key to an authority return as authority figures, it could even add a little spice to the orton/cena rivalry with orton playing face and cena as heel for the first time.

    it would have been perfect to have orton end the authority when he was a major part of it getting started in the first place.

    i like sting, but he’s a part-timer who’s going to wrestle one more match. chances are, we won’t see him tomorrow on raw and we won’t see him much until the buildup to wrestlemania. i’m not excited at all to see a 55-year-old sting face hhh at mania.

    great main event, just a bad ending. i understand people are excited to see sting in a wwe ring because nobody thought it would ever happen, but there were better alternatives to the deciding factor of this match and there were better alternatives toward bringing sting into the storylines.

    • Fan since 97

      Orton would have made more sense but they want subscribers and sting will bring in subscribers.Mostly older fans have the network so it’s makes sense.

    • Shadow

      Still Sting represents justice and is for all intents and purposes a non combatant, HHH represents greed and is also supposedly a non combatant. For this reason I’d argue it makes sense. As far as Orton is concerned he’d be destroying the Authority out of jealousy not because it’s wrong, leads to better wrestling I aree and I also don’t want to see Sting wrestle. We’ve seen proof that HHH can not get a good match out of h=guys not in their prime. Hell he dang near killed WCW being a thing with his Steiner feud.

      Orton joins the line of folk who want to kick Seths ass, it’s a long line and if he somehow gets the belt and a crew to watch his back Seth can still have an awesome run as top heel.

      • doctorburningfire

        I love that Rollins is officially the top, most despicable heel now, and that there is a growing line of people who want to destroy him. The dude could easily be made as a perpetual main eventer by WrestleMania.

  • Hectus

    It should have been his Starrcade 97 music and entrance. Surely WWE could replicate that.

    • Da Man

      Starrcade ’97 was an abomination. Let’s not drudge anything up from that please.

  • Cam Passmore

    Say what you want about WWE not understanding internet fans, but know this:
    -Bryan won out at Wrestlemania
    -Brock crushed Cena at Summer Slam
    -Ziggler is the surviving hero at Survivor Series

    3 of the last “Big 4” PPVs have finished favorably for internet fans

    • Hectus

      I would argue that the problem is not that WWE doesn’t understand Internet fans, but that when our outcries become too loud and too logical to ignore, it throws a bone our way, puts a band-aid here and there and then carries on its merry stupid ways. Look at the bigger picture after WWE gives us a pleasing outcome.

      Examples:
      Daniel Bryan – In a flop feud with Kane post his win
      Brock – Floundering and disappearing post his Cena crush
      Cesaro after his push
      Ambrose after his push
      Wyatt after his push

      WWE needs to change its medium and long term planning and booking philosophy, not give Internet fans short term fixes.

      • Gotstodobetter

        the can never win over since the internet fans are bipolar and when they do plan they still won’t like it especially when it doesn’t involve their flavor of the month or follow their fantasy booking to the t.

        • IAmLars

          So you’re saying the WWE is incapable of creating quality pushes and storylines for the wrestlers that are most over?

          • Rob

            They could, but the point is it might be hard to do since a lot of the internet fans constantly turn on the wrestlers they want pushed after they start getting that push.

          • MikeK.

            Like Reigns…

          • Ice Dagger

            Reigns has never been an internet darling.

          • MikeK.

            you have an insanely short memory…

          • Ice Dagger

            Must still be longer than yours then, as I seem to recall Reigns having vocal critics throughout the entire tenure of The Shield.

            From Day 1, actually, since people were asking why he wasn’t Kassius Ohno.

          • Ice Dagger

            I know right?

            Remember when Punk got Go-Away Heat after finally getting a legitimate run with the WWE Championship?

          • IAmLars

            Replace “a lot of internet fans” with “a lot of dumb fans” and you’d be right.

      • Rob

        And to be fair, when did WWE have time to really book Bryan with a new opponent? After winning the title, Bryan was out due to several personal issues like his wedding, his honeymoon and the death of his father and number 1 fan. Where was the time to really start a new feud for Bryan? The feud with Kane was their only option because there was already built in history between the 2 from the anger management classes to their Tag Team Title run as Team Hell No to Kane turning corporate and trying to screw over Bryan left and right (costing him the title at Elimination Chamber is an example).

        • Ice Dagger

          Well, if they’d put that Bray Wyatt guy over at WrestleMania instead of nonsensically wasting his streak on Cena he would’ve been a logical candidate to challenge Bryan…

      • MikeK.

        Why do they have to give internet fans anything? Be like an NFL team changing how they do things because of what a blogger thinks. Putting way too much stick in the IWC

        • Ice Dagger

          $$$

          • MikeK.

            Yes, they should listen to the minority on here who think Vince and HHH are idiots and that WWE sucks instead of the sell out crowds at every show, the majority of whom are wearing WWE merch.
            For a guy who thinks he’s the brightest guy in the room, your comment was flat out dumb. Not a business major I take it?

          • Ice Dagger

            Actually, I am. But judging from your inability to read on anything other than a superficial level it’s clear that English isn’t yours.

            You’re talking about those “sell out crowds at every show” who chant for DAN-IEL BRY-AN and C-M PUNK and WE WANT ZIG-GLER right? Them?

            And in no way do I think I’m the brightest guy in the room: though I am quite confident I’m much brighter than you: granted, that’s not saying much, as so are most shadows.

      • MikeK.

        Plus you realize there’s probably a couple hundred people who comment here regularly. Not talking about the casual “guests” who obviously don’t have the desire to create an account but the named commenters. So WWE should listen to a few hundred people instead of the tens of thousands who attend the shows and their shareholders? Not good for business

        • Ice Dagger

          Yeah, the majority of live audiences don’t care about that “internet darling” Daniel Bryan…

    • Yet they still bitch like pretentious little brats because Sting “overshadowed Ziggler”, which is complete BS. Always something to find wrong though. AWESOME work from Ziggler tonight. Showed me he can be a main event player

      • $47546490

        AG, don’t go down this path.

        Fear lead to anger,
        Anger leads to hate,
        Hate leads to Watry…..

        • I’m all better now. Watching sting show up on my 100inch projector got me going I guess. Lol

          • IAmLars

            I’ve had bigger.

          • Stan W.

            100? Does that include me???

        • Stan W.

          Straw, all of your sins are forgiven for this bit of brilliance.

    • Erh

      Considering all the PPVs are now on the network, isn’t everyone an internet fan nowadays?

      • Gotstodobetter

        you know he means the dirt sheets budy

    • Cuvis

      People still cling to the fiction that there’s a “regular fan” and an “internet fan”. I don’t entirely know why.

      • Voice of Logic

        Because WWE tells everyone that we are different, and internet fans are just a vocal minority.

      • Michael Frias

        There is. There’s the little kids, that want Cena to overcome the odds and always have god triumph over evil. And there there’s the “internet” fan.

        • greg

          the internet fan seems to be a lot of people these days then.. Judging by the crowd reactions because man the IWC is getting much bigger then they anticipated. I mean who besides the internet likes Daniel bryan or lesnar crushing people besides internet people which I guess have taken over crowds because those are the most vocal these fays

          • Michael Frias

            Well, pretty much everyone is on the net nowadays, so yes, the IWC is pretty much everyone now.

            I mean, my 6 & 8 year old kids still think it’s “real”, but other than that, I think most fans at least casually follow the “dirt sheets “.

          • Megan Welles

            I’d argue casual fans love Danial Bryan just as internet fans do, and it isn’t just the chant. My 62 year old father, for example, is computer illiterate and a total mark. He hates the bad guys and loves the good guys (with a few notable exceptions, like John Cena, Randy Orton, Big Show no matter what side he’s on, etc). Part of the fun for me, with wrestling, is seeing my dad get super excited like a kid on Christmas when something awesome happens, like Bryan vs Wyatt in the cage on Raw, Bryan winning at WM, and Sting showing up last night.

        • Ice Dagger

          Except that those kids, by their nature, would not view “overcoming the odds” as a concept.

          • Michael Frias

            But still eat up the “face vs heel” dynamic that WWE still promotes. That’s why the faces win pretty much every match at house shows. Only time the heels win are in a squash match or by DQ.

          • Ice Dagger

            Well, yeah, nobody’s denying that kids will obviously gravitate to the “good guy” who always wins unless he is completely inept at the role.

        • Jack Squat

          The catch is that those kids and all the other fans together chant “YES!!!” See the Raw ratings the night after this show, and the reaction of every fan in attendance, compared to anything Cena does. Case closed.

          • Michael Frias

            Not really sure what you’re trying to say? That DB is more popular amongst ALL fans, as opposed to Cena only getting cheers from the kids? I can’t argue that, and I don’t think anyone else would.

      • LJFCAT

        There absolutely are. No one ‘clings’ to it. Why would they? What good would it do them?

        Some fans love the WWE and go to events and watch every week and all that jazz, but don’t go on sites like this, or wrestlezone, or what have you. The way they perceive and digest wrestling tends to be very, very different. Even the vocabularies are different. I disagree with the idea that one is inherently better than the other, which is often implied in a weird bit of almost self-loathing, however, or that all hardcore fans are internet fans.

        Lots of people hate being told how to do their jobs. From what many wrestlers have said or implied, the dreaded internet fan is an obnoxious loud mouth know-it-all who is always complaining and drumming up negativity. To say such a stereotype is true is ridiculous, of course.

        • I’ll say exactly what it does for certain people: it makes it easier to make some generic rant about “The IWC” when posting on an internet wrestling forum without a hint of irony, just so they can maintain an Us vs Them mentality they haven’t felt since WCW went under.

    • Scott

      I’d suggest 1 and 2 were just fan wants, internet or otherwise

    • Gotstodobetter

      no the internet fans is right because majority of fans who watch/attend the shows doesn’t take it as personal as the internet fans in which why they can appreciate it more.

    • Jack Squat

      Yeah, but the strange thing is, this is like the only time they do.

  • Randy Marsh

    Dunno how to feel about this PPV. Really wish they didn’t start with a long Authority promo, it just made the show feel like RAW and set the wrong tone.

    • Fan since 97

      Truth

      • $47546490

        But…he gave criticism! Isn’t he ‘nitpicking’ and ‘not a real fan’, 87tezzy? 🙂

        • Scott

          Hahaha

        • Fan since 97

          This time I agree

    • sdelfin

      Agreed. Long promos, especially to open shows, are a crutch for them. Not only should they shake things up, but they can easily cut the promo times down in most cases. The time for big promos is leading up to the show. Back in the day, the WWE was good at putting on a well-paced, streamlined PPV/special show.

  • vegasdonk

    I loved the match, including all the shenanigans. It wouldn’t have worked with Cena as the final guy because the negative reaction for his still being there would have taken away from all the near falls and end drama. Everyone seems to love Ziggler and he played the underdog role to perfection. I’ll admit, I marked out.

    My only complaint, and this is minor: I wish they switched roles and it was Sheamus turning instead of Show. You could’ve told the exact same story, it would have played just as well and it would have felt a lot fresher than Show turning for the 5,836th time.

    • r.

      Good call. Sheamus suddenly broguing Cena would have been a lot more exciting, surprising, and interesting oing forward.

      • Shadow

        Unless of course that pic he sent fro the hospital wasn’t a work.

        • r.

          Granted, if he is legit injured and they wrote him out, then hey. But if they removed him just to remove him… goddammit. =)

  • Fan since 97

    About where I would put it as well.

  • Fan since 97

    The this is awesome chant wasn’t exactly silence.

    • BearHawk

      It wasn’t Chicago / Montreal / NYC kind of noise, but it was definitely more than I expected from a midwest crowd (coming from a KC guy).

  • Fan since 97

    Atlanta crowds suck bit yeah NYC or Chicago would have blew the roof off.

  • Ice Dagger

    Brie screwing AJ out of the title just so she can wrestle for it herself would make her look like a totally selfish prick.

    • Erh

      Well, they’ve booked AJ as a totally selfish prick for a good while too, so I guess they can all do that. Only one who’s over in this feud anyway is CM Punk.

      • Ice Dagger

        WWE did a great job of booking Paige as a sympathetic valiant babyface last night…

        Wait.

    • $47546490

      Like an actual, rounded character with independent motivations outside of ‘face’ or ‘heel’?

      • Ice Dagger

        Pretty sure I could never use the expression “well-rounded” to describe the Bellas.

        Not even ironically.

        • $47546490

          I dunno. Nikki’s was looking pretty well-rounded last night….

          • Ice Dagger

            More of a Layla man myself.

          • $47546490

            All about Naomi personally

          • Ice Dagger

            Both are worthy contenders…

  • Scott

    Larry the Cable GM. BOOK IT!

    • Shadow

      Not even in jest.

      • Scott

        I’ve actually never seen the guy, he’s not a thing where I live.

        • Solomon Grundy

          He’s not a thing where most civilized people live…let’s be honest

  • Qwaar

    Csonka with his supposed high standards gave this crap a 7? Unbelievable.

    • Obvious troll is obvious

      • Qwaar

        What makes you think I was trolling?

        • Trolling or an idiot, one or the other?

          • Qwaar

            Care to explain why?

          • You left out “I think” in your initial post, that’s why

  • How could anyone not have known who sting was? He was a major part of marketing for their new WWE game this year (had a huge pop for his commercial too), he’s been brought up heavily during any WCW match compilation sets, and just this year he had his first “best of” set.

    I know we say WWE is marketed towards kids and that is their main audience, but I remember being a child watching pro wrestling in the early 90s and still knowing who the major stars were in almost every promotion. And that was without the Internet or even any fellow wrestling fans to talk to about it with

    • Real Name

      Well the fact he hasn’t been on a wrestling show anyone actually watches for 13 years might have something to do with it.

      • So commercials (that play several times per episode on every WWE show broadcast) for his personal DVD, the new WWE game, and various “best of” dvd sets he is heavily featured on wouldn’t make one person stop and take notice that hasn’t heard of him before? Wow man, I had no idea the WWE audience was so shut out of their own environment. 😉

  • Maddox

    So The only man who Vince wanted but could never have finally made his debut in a wwe ring, Vince gets what Vince wants

    • Iocus

      In the Wrestling world he does. World Bodybuilding Federation, the XFL, Linda’s two extremely expensive Senate campaigns, WWE film studios, his intention to have a cable network in the US and the failure of the Network launches in Canada and now the UK, prove that whenever he tries to achieve something in the world of business, sports or politics it usually ends in a gigantic failure

      He’s like a dictator of a small country basically. Feared and respected by everyone within it, considered an egomaniac and a joke in the outside world.

      It’s also easier to maintain your status as a “genius” in an industry when your “opponents” were people like Ted Turner and very briefly Dixie Carter, who are even more incompetent.

  • Maddox

    Who has had more turns? Kane or Big show?

    • Marty Confetti

      Alicia Fox

      • Stan W.

        To be fair, I’d rather watch her turn than either Kane or Big Show

  • Scott

    Did Barrett elude to it being his time? They could do way worse than having him as GM while he recovers.

  • J_Parx

    The main event really surprised me in a lot of ways. In fact, Sting’s debut was probably the least surprising thing about it (even though it was a huge mark out moment.)

    Very surprised that Cena didn’t pick up the victory but the most surprising thing was Ziggler’s push! I’ve made no secret of the fact that Team Austin vs Team Bischoff is my favourite Survivor Series match and they really seem to have taken inspiration from that match and booked Ziggler a LOT like HBK. Maybe they’ve finally realised Ziggler can be the next HBK if they just give him a chance? He looked like a star in this match and I’m stoked for him that he was a part of the big Sting moment and got the win. Very enjoyable main event which I really wasn’t looking forward to!

    Sting’s debut speak for itself. Incredible. I just hope they have a long term plan and didn’t throw him in just because of the free month thing. I guess it kills the Sting vs ‘Taker match, and probably also suggests that ‘Taker is finished. If so, I hope he’s the first HoF inductee next year.

  • Solomon Grundy

    I totally disagree on the Diva’s match…while I agree on the time I think it was given WAY to much time, it was slow, plodding and most important….not entertaining. The only two people who looked capable in the ring were Paige and Natalia.

    Overall the show surprised me alot, i wasn’t expecting much other than the same old 4 v 1 against super cena when he magically supermans up, beats everyone, show over, thanks for playing and leaving with a feeling of…ug here we go again.

    • mushyjoey

      It’s funny how different people see the same exact thing differently. I thought the Divas’ match was too frantically paced. Like they were just running through their spots as quick as possible because they were worried they’d screw them up. I thought it was ok. No five snowflake classic of course, but I never got bored watching it.

  • Scott

    Bizarre that HHH doesn’t even put over Vince’s promos.

    • Jonfw2

      Honestly, he and Steph think that they’re “we’re above it all” style is a good heel strategy.

  • Schtwagger

    So, one thing lost in all this seems to be that Swagger was so decimated that he couldn’t be a member of Team Cena anymore; but he was OK for the pre-show? Not that he was a big loss obviously, but really?

    • doctorburningfire

      And the announcers openly acknowledged it, too! That was odd. Though as for Team Cena, that’s addition by subtraction.

  • JestersTear

    The divas elimination match gave solid proof for those who say WWE should give up women’s wrestling. I must have been watching a different show, because that was some of the sloppiest, boring “wrestling” I’ve seen in a while. Even the announce team stopped caring about calling it.

    • Iocus

      To be fair, the announce team stop’s caring about calling half the matches. And they do it whether a match is bad, or good. Only the main events of PPVs and RAW, John Cena, former Shield member and Rusev matches get called seriously from start to finish these days.

      • JestersTear

        Yeah, true, but usually they’re pushing later matches on the show or something. With this, they just stopped caring and started BS’ing and when something happened in the ring they would almost sound surprised about it. not surprised in seeing an unexpected great move, but surprised that one of the women actually pulled off a wrestling move.

  • Jonfw2

    Not a bad overall effort last night, and TLC could be halfway decent.

    I will admit when I’m wrong, though, and while I was a big fan of the Brock Lesnar Plan when it started, I now have to admit it’s not working.

    A “special events only” style for the WWE title is fine, but Brock doesn’t even come to special events. Hogan at least worked all the PPV’s and TV all year to set them up. Hell, The Rock worked more in the run up to Mania when he had the title. This ain’t working.

  • Real Name

    And winner of the smarkiest complaint of the year goes to…

    • Real Name

      It’s called a surprise.

      • Real Name

        “It’s called dropping the ball.”

        Yeah I’m done arguing with you. The entire wrestling world is buzzing over Sting and your bias is showing. Keep spinning it to a negative.

  • Mark Clark

    TWO issues with the main event (not including yet another big show turn, i shall ignore that)

    1. Did no one else think or wonder why HHH still didn’t get the ref to count to 3 when sting came out? It took him ages to walk to the ring… Even if HHH was shocked, surely someone like that would have thought to make the ref finish counting, or at least start again.

    Really poor and illogical booking. It would have made much more sense for the usual lights to go out then sting to appear when they lit back up and straight away knock out the ref… or lights come back and the ref is already knocked out. THAT would have made much more sense.

    2. HHH got involved and started beating on ziggler… err where was Cena to come help? Is it me or does this whole storyline make cena out or be a complete dick. Its not just last night, when has cena ever come out to help his team? Swagger/sheamus got taken out when cena had PLENTY of time to come help. Or all the other beat downs to his team, cena never bothered to come and try help. But when cena got beat down, his whole team came out to at least try and help.
    This reason incidently is why the ryback heel turn was stupid. It shouldn’t have been a heel turn. He was perfectly justified in meathooking him. Cena NEVER came and helped him out with the shield, yet ryback always helped.

    cena= selfish jackass. and i honestly dont think wwe creative have the intelligence to do that on purpose, they are just too stupid to look at the bigger picture.

    Fail WWE. fail fail fail.

    On the flip side, was awesome to see sting FINALLY.

    • Mark Clark

      also on the flip side. Ziggler was bloody great. Man of the night by far. I wonder if this is actually a serious push for him

  • dark aktar

    For a split second I thought thats where they were going when he came out to ziggler. It would have explained the not helping beat downs up to that point. Trips steph and cena get major heat. Sting v.cena wrestlemania like sting said his number 2 wish would be, and run rock v trips for control like the rumors posted. Of course there still is 4 or so months til wm

  • $47546490

    To be fair, they wouldn’t have made money off of it as it was a free show. Better to hype his first actual match

  • mochuf

    The one thing that really sucks with Ziggler last night is that he wasn’t Intercontinental Champ. Heaven forbid that the title gets elevated somehow.

    • $47546490

      The curse had to be lifted prior to Survivor Series, otherwise no-one would have bought Ziggler being anyone non-title.

  • Scott

    Cena did such a great job putting over his character’s investment in the main event

  • His Bubbliness

    In the back of my mind I was thinking how awesome it’d be if Paige made a comeback and single-handedly eliminated everyone. In a perfect world, there’d be a Paige/Natalya feud to come out of this.

  • Jeremy Ethridge

    That person was retroactively disqualified for every match ever. If NCAA can strip wins so can WWE

  • TechnicallyAGenius

    Am I the only one who, when Sting came down the ramp and entered the ring to stare down Triple H, thought “BUT WHOSE SIDE IS HE ON??!”

    • TechnicallyAGenius

      ……*Whose

      • Stan W.

        I approved of this message.

  • Scott

    It’s sad the crowd is so conditioned to the status quo that they thought Orton was the only way Team Cena could win after Cena was eliminated

  • jfp

    at least sting wore a nice t-shirt

  • LJFCAT

    Loved the main event, and loved seeing Sting. People will always find something to complain about, but it felt perfect. It completely fit his sort of ‘avenging angel’ character to step in and stop such corruption. Remember when wrestling fans would wait until the aftermath to judge an angle? “It doesn’t make sense!” Well, perhaps tomorrow Sting will speak and explain his actions. I think it fits his character completely, especially the fact that he was all business and didn’t speak or smile or play up the adulation.

  • HercStrongs

    Opening PPV segments are generally not the opening talking promo that we’re used to on raw. but this segment was necessary because this isn’t the standard wwe ppv. it was a one match show with no undercard and the stakes needed to be reinforced to the audience to justify booking it that way. a 15 month story line is wrapping up, it’s a special occasion

  • Don

    How exactly did Paige get “buried”? She was the last eliminated and held her own against the opposing team. Mark Henry however…

  • Dirty

    I’m guessing you’re new to the wrestling world because they have been doing these surprise debuts/comebacks for the longest time

    • Dirty

      You couldn’t put it together with the videos of Sting being in the game

  • Roland Pryzbylewski

    The product sucks but it’s not because they don’t do right by Daniel Bryan, CM Punk, Dolph Ziggler and the rest of the fanboy favorites. The beauty is in the chase. These guys can’t be on top all the time. You would be complaining in no time if that was the case.

    • MikeK.

      Still don’t get why fans still feel Punk and Bryan got buried or mistreated. Both were in main events or hot feuds at almost every PPV for the past few years and both have World title wins over Cena on their resume so not sure why their fans still feel they were horribly mistreated. All because they weren’t in the main event from day 1 they’re mistreated?

      • Ice Dagger

        Yes, that intelligent analysis *must* be it.

        Don’t you ever get tired of being an obtuse contrarian?

        • MikeK.

          I love when you bust out your thesarus. For the guy with a such a vast vocabulary and who posts in here 24/7(especially to all of my comments which im still not sure is flattery or frightening) you say so little.
          Have you ever actually thrown out an opinion and defended it? or, when you disagree with someone(which you do 95% of the time) actually explain why?
          Your words are always hollow.

          • Ice Dagger

            Claiming that any word I used in there was from a thesaurus just makes you look ign’ant. ^_^

            And haven’t you already tried & failed with this “you don’t have or substantiate opinions” bullshit before? Running out of material, are ya? Sing me a new one, will ya?

            Get over yourself, you dweeb. It’s rather pathetic that you think (or need to think) that you’re in any way special. Perhaps you should spend less time having an over-inflated sense of your own worth and more time actually realising content. Who knows? Maybe the quality of your “contributions” would improve.

          • MikeK.

            But I actually post an opinion and usually defend it. I don’t just say “Ryder got screwed” and “Cena sucks” and “Punk rules” over and over.
            So my contributions are fine and usually prompt debate(Lord knows, you respond to everything I post so you must enjoy debating with me) and I don’t just hurl insults and call men “saucy” and “juicy.”
            And yes, I do have self-confidence. You’re free to borrow some. Sounds like your fragile ego could use it.

          • Ice Dagger

            If you’re trying to set a record for how many times somebody can be wrong in just 1 comment, you’re doing well.

            You’re in no position to cast aspersions on anybody’s ego or insist you’ve got self-confidence when you make such latently homophobic insinuations, either. For shame.

          • MikeK.

            Not sure where the homophobic part came from but go ahead making stuff up since that’s what you’re best at, making claims with no support.
            And, just so I know, if someone is homophobic they can’t be self-confident? Makes sense…

          • Ice Dagger

            Explain why you brought up alleged instances of “call men “saucy” and “juicy.”” then, because it didn’t happen in here and is seemingly not pertinent to this discussion.

            And you *don’t* know. Shocker!

    • Ice Dagger

      Funny, because until Punk all of the longest WWE world title reigns were from babyfaces. And even well over half of his 434 days were as a face.

      “The Chase” is a myth.

  • Rocky Racoon

    Before the event I wasn’t too happy with the selections of the team members of the Main Event. But, it turned out to be great and I loved how they used the match to really build up Dolph Ziggler, now they have to make sure they build on this match and not bury him again. The Sting entrance was great! The problem WWE has had for awhile is when they do something big at one of these PPV events, you expect them to continue to build a certain story line and push a certain wrestler and they don’t. They have a great opportunity to do some cool things right now, hopefully they’ll work everything properly over the next few months.

  • MikeK.

    “…with Ambrose attacking right at the bell, no lock up shit because he hates this man…”
    Im still confused as to why he hates him so much. With Rollins it made sense but because Wyatt came up with some “family history” he hates him? Just seems so forced.

    • The GOAT

      I’m with you to an extent. Even though the point could be made that Wyatt got in his way of getting his revenge on Rollins, but that feels so secondary now.

      • MikeK.

        True. If Ambrose was saying “Hey, you stopped me from beating Rollins” as his motivation then it would make more sense. Even when Cena was briefly inserted into the Rollins/Ambrose feud, Cena’s motivation was seeking revenge on Rollins for costing him the World title so there was a storyline flow. Right now, as you said, that whole subject of Ambrose/Rollins got dropped and it became the typical Wyatt feud that comes from nowhere except made up family histories. Not to say the matches b/w Wyatt and Ambrose won’t be good, just the whole motivation for them feuding came out of left field.

    • doctorburningfire

      I think in general it’s in the nature of a guy like Ambrose to not lock up, regardless of opponent.

      • MikeK.

        I agree and wasn’t questioning that part but questioning why he hates Wyatt so much…

  • Robert Gordon

    Cena was taken out early so as not to take away from Sting. If Cena’s in there instead of Ziggler it may come across as Sting saves Cena

  • MikeK.

    So is Sting going to become the on air authority figure now?

  • greg

    oh good lord no more cena-big show matches nothing against either guy they just don’t mix well I’m sorry

    • MikeK.

      I agree with what youre saying as both Lesnar and Sheamus have shown better chemistry with Show but it seems like Cena can’t have a feud with anyone without there being some sort of complaint.
      If Cena feuds with someone more than once it’s “here we go again.” If he feuds with a new star he’s accused of holding that guy down or using the new guy to elevate himself. If he wrestles for the world title it’s “Cena’s hogging the title again.” Even when he loses a match it’s usually with “Yeah, but he didn’t lose clean.”
      Like he’s in the “Damned if you do, damned if you don’t” category.

      • Ice Dagger

        It’s almost like Cena feuds have a tendency to suck or something…

        • MikeK.

          You’re right. His matches with JBL all sucked. And his feud with Edge was horrible. And his matches with Batista. And the whole build to Mania with HBK as well as the matches that followed.

          I believe people here use the word troll for someone who just posts comments that make no sense just to get a reaction. This would be one of those posts.

          • Ice Dagger

            That’s not what I said, dingus. I didn’t say the matches were bad. I said the feuds were. But at least you confessed to not understanding the post, so I’ll cut you some slack.

            If you think feuds were Cena belittles his opponents and cuts mocking promos to undermine them is quality programming, that’s your business.

            Me? I prefer a babyface that *isn’t* an arrogant, obnoxious bully.

          • MikeK.

            Um, usually feuds consist of having some matches along the way…
            Nice try though.
            Awwww, and poor Cena hurt your feelings because he picked on his opponent. I hope you recover.
            Isn’t Ziggler’s whole persona of a cocky, arrogant, pretty boy? And you hero Punk? No, he wasn’t arrogant at all. HBK was pretty insecure too. And, as for you “bully” part, what was Austin exactly? I don’t remember him being chivalrous.
            Your welcome for the history lesson.

          • Ice Dagger

            The only thing more hilarious than your unwarranted smugness about your shallow, pseudo-intellectual assessments of feuds is how laughably undercut it is by using “Your welcome” to cap it off.

            C’mon, it’s no fun if you make it THIS easy.

            P.S. I don’t hold Austin to the same standards as the babyface that WWE pretends Cena is.

          • MikeK.

            Changing the rules as always. I name a babyface(austin) and you say he doesn’t count. Typical for you.

          • Ice Dagger

            Try reading sometime. It helps.

            Unless you’ve got some instance of WWE promoting Austin as a pillar of morality with HUSTLE. LOYALTY. RESPECT. and a venerable champion of justice, you can stick it.

            P.S. I seem to recall Austin being “chivalrous” enough to rescue Stephanie from the Black Wedding even though he had no stake in it, which is a lot more than your idol Cena did for his Survivor Series teammates.

    • doctorburningfire

      Punctuation is a great communication tool, my friend.

  • Pfunkstar

    The main event really saved this show. They need to get the Heavyweight belt back into action soon though. Imagine how much better this PPV would have been with a world title match with sufficient build and also the Survivor Series match. Having the IC title and US title in the Survivor Series match didn’t help either. So much garbage taking up time on this show really hurt it.

  • As someone who was going to watch it anyway, I am glad they didn’t because I love surprises and when they promote something, you are just waiting for it to happen and it provides no surprise at all. Sure, they would have got more people to tune in if they let everyone know that Sting was coming, but that takes away a lot of the fun of watching a show. I prefer not to know the spoilers ahead of time.

  • Stephanie screeching “It’s not over” at the end of the show may have been her describing the entire Authority angle from start to finish.

  • WorldInterGenderChampion

    So is it just me or did Cena look weak for not coming back out when the authority started cheating? I know it was Stings big debut but they could have laid out Cena for an even bigger save. He seemed to just mope off.

  • Jon K. Wright

    I don’t mind Ryback losing so quick. I’m annoyed that they couldn’t give him a clean win in the weeks leading up to the PPV

  • Mukesh

    I don’t get the whole thing about “Internet fans”. Surely the people who watch wwe, most of them GO ON THE INTERNET AND HAVE AN OPINION?? Regardless of whether they express it?? And that opinion is probably the same as most that maybe don’t go on wrestling sites at all ie cena should turn heel, Bryan should be champion, ziggler should be treated better etc blah blah blah. The problem is that people are STILL going to moan and whine about things even if they get what they want. It’s just a place for people to vent. If the Internet was as easily around in the attitude era, people would have bitched about that. Or in the hogan era or in Bruno Sammartino era. People literally ruin wrestling by constantly thinking that they themselves know what’s best for business. Just watch or if you don’t like it then don’t watch. People say how bad wrestling is these days and how they hate it but still they watch??? Why??

  • Iocus

    I like his new theme a lot. Best new theme in a long while, in my opinion. Fits the character and great to listen to.