411 Wrestling Interview 6.22.12: Bobby Hart

Bobby Hart is a Northern California based independent wrestler, trainer and promoter. Having the opportunity to sit down to talk with the man at the Fat Cat Music Lounge, located in downtown Modesto, Ca. was an opportunity I wasn’t willing to pass up. Bobby opened up about his life, his career, his promotion Pro Wrestling Bushido and many other subjects as well.

Bobby, thanks for taking the time to speak with me. So let’s begin in the most obvious place. Were you a wrestling fan growing up?

Bobby Hart: Oh, yeah, I was a wrestling fan growing up. My uncle got me into it when I was real little. We would sit and would watch Luche Libre when I was little, there was a guy dressed up as The Mummy and another dressed as Frankenstein and I used to watch that. And then, like my first real memories of wrestling was probably Wrestlemania 2. My uncle took me to the L.A. part because it was held in three places, and I remember bits and pieces. I remember the King Kong Bundy match in the cage, and I remember watching the big screen ‘cause they did the closed circuit TV thing. I remember that and thought it was kind of cool.

But then my uncle got the Hulkamania tape, And I wore it out. It’s funny, it’s a funny story, when I first started wrestling, I was at Supreme Pro Wrestling, there was a guy that would come up from SoCal, and he had a wrestling store, and he sold tapes and stuff like that. And he had the Hulkamania tape. It was in the same package that you’d get it at a Mom and Pop store and it looked just liked the one that I had as a kid so I had to grab it up. So yeah, I have that. And it’s probably my first memory of wrestling.

I loved wrestling my whole life, but I kind of got out of it when I was thirteen. But my mom and my uncle always remained into it so when I was sixteen my mom rented a PPV and I went over and watched that. It was a Halloween Havoc and I was sixteen, I remember the exact minute that I wanted to be a professional wrestler. And it’s funny, because my favorite wrestlers are always the technical guys. I grew up loving Bret Hart, Dynamite Kid, but the match that made me want to be a wrestler was the first match of Halloween Havoc. I think it was ’97. And it was Dean Malenko against Rey Mysterio, Jr.

Yeah, I remember it. That’s a good one.

Bobby Hart: And that was like, as soon as I saw that match I said that that was what I wanted to do. So my uncle, there wasn’t that much of an internet at that time, my uncle and I started looking for schools. And my first school, my first indy show was All Pro Wrestling at Johanson (High School, in Modesto) and that’s the only school that I knew of, so that’s where I honestly started my wrestling training at.

How long after you started did you feel like you were starting to pick it up, or get good at it?

Bobby Hart: Um, honestly, to this day I still don’t think that I’m really good at it. I learn something new everyday and that’s the great thing about indy feds right now, in that there’s so much great talent out there, I’m always learning new things. I mean, there’s Timothy Thatcher, one of the greatest technical wrestlers. If there wasn’t already an English guy in WWE I think Tim would be there right now. I mean, he’s that good. Adam Thornstowe, he’s one of the greatest high flyers in NorCal. We call him the NorCal Shawn Michaels. There’s so many great, great talents out there, and when it comes to ring work and speaking skills, Sir Samurai is one of the best guys. And so, I honestly feel like I learn something new everyday. There’s a saying, “If you learned everything there is to know in wrestling, then it’s time to get out.” So to me there’s always something new, and there’s always guys out there better than me.

The first school I went to, I was there for almost two years. I don’t know what it was, but it was people’s attitudes. I’m a down to Earth person. I don’t think I’m the greatest person or wrestler in the world. I never thought I was going to be the greatest wrestler in the world. And there’s people, at the first school I went to, that was how they acted. And then the second school I went to, the people there was just as down to Earth and the trainer that trained me there is still one of my best friends to this day, C.Jay Kerz.

That’s just what I feel. I just want to wrestle… And I just got off track of what the question was. (Laughs)

Well, you answered it satisfactorily enough, so that’s alright. You already covered a bunch of questions I was planning on asking as far as individual wrestlers that you looked up to…

Bobby Hart: Well, it’s kind of a unpopular thing to say nowadays, but Chris Benoit was one of my favorite wrestlers. I liked him because he was always the underdog, he never did speak that much, he just went out there and wrestled. Dynamite Kid was the same way, he just went out there and he worked in the ring and he put on a story. He wasn’t outside the ring talkin’ the whole time. “We’re going to go in there and beat them up” and then they went and did it. And that’s what I liked about it.

I like the technical wrestling. I like to add Muey Thai and Jiu Jitsu to my wrestling skills. So that’s one of my favorite things. I love the ground and pound. I love the ground work.

So, you’re saying that as a wrestler you’re constantly learning. Do you currently follow any of the product that’s currently out there?

Bobby Hart: I follow Pro Wrestling Guerilla. A lot of Dragon Gate USA. A couple of my favorite guys right now, are Bryan Danielson, *ahem* Daniel Bryan, he’s always been one of my favorites for a long time. But right now the guys that I follow, the guys that are really good are like Sammy Callahan, Johnny Moxley, um, who else is out there right now? Brian Cage, but he sometimes works for me too. He’s just getting better and better every time I see him. Johnny Goodtime. Johnny Goodtime is just outstanding right now. And my favorite wrestler right now, bar none, is Timothy Thatcher. And the thing about Timothy Thatcher is that he just gets better and better each and every time.

Did you start training immediately out of high school?

Bobby Hart: Um, Yeah. It was probably a good year out of high school. I got married, I had a daughter, I had to work, and do all that stuff. And somehow I put wrestling into it. We meshed it, and things happen in life. Stuff like that. But yeah, It was pretty much not too long after high school.

So how long have you been doing it now?

Bobby Hart: Um, twelve years? Twelve years now, I think.

And in all that time have you ever had the chance to meet any of the childhood heroes that you looked up to?

Bobby Hart: Um, yeah! One of the things that we love doing, every year, for the last three years in January, we’ve been going to Wrestle Reunion in L.A. And that’s where I go to get all the numbers of the guys that I’m going to book for the year, and that’s where a lot of the older guys are. I’ve met a lot of guys that I really looked up to like Vader. I love Vader.

He was just on RAW recently and got a huge pop.

Bobby Hart: I got to meet Muta, which was one of my favorite things. Jushin Thunder Liger. I’ve gotten to wrestle Gangrel. And just recently this last weekend I wrestled Val Venis. Who else have I worked with recently? Paul London. Great work ethic.

In your twelve years in the business, what have been your personal favorite matches, or career highlights that you look back upon fondly?

Bobby Hart: My career highlights? Tim and I had a program where we wrestled like three times. It was the start of Pro Wrestling Bushido. We went a ten minute time limit, then a thirty minute time limit, and the third match was no time limit, and I think we went like fifty minutes. It’s one of my favorite matches to this day. And Tim beat me, and became the first and only Pro Wrestling Bushido Heavyweight Champion, and he’s held that belt for two and a half years now. That’s one of my favorite things about starting Bushido, and my wrestling career, is wrestling Tim.

Another career highlight would be becoming the North American Wrestling Heavyweight Champion. That’s the company that I started with. There’s a North American Wresting now, but it’s not the same company. The one that we had, which C.Jay started, being there, training there, and getting to the top of that company, really highlighted my career.

So yeah, winning that title the first time, it was surreal I guess. It was kind of cool. But my biggest highlight is that Supreme Pro Wrestling, which is kind of the WWE of NorCal, they’re the company you want to be the top at. And right now I’m the Supreme Pro Wrestling Heavyweight Champion. The first time I won that belt, I won it at the anniversary show, the ten year anniversary show and I wrestled Timothy Thatcher for it and beat him for it. So that’s one of my biggest highlights.

I’m also wrestling for Luche Extreme right now, which is on MyNetwork, so we’re on TV now. Which is really cool. Again, doing different things, doing the promos and doing all the TV stuff, so it’s kind of different. So that, that’s fun.

You talked about wrestling Gangrel and Val Venis, am I correct that you received a WWE tryout at one point?

Bobby Hart: No, I’ve done dark stuff for WWE. Not tryouts, but when they need security guards or stuff like that, they use indy workers if they’re going to be in the ring. As far as backstage stuff, you were asking about getting to meet people you grew up idolizing? The guy that was in charge of the segment I was part of? It was Ricky Steamboat.

Holy Shit. That’s awesome.

Bobby Hart: So yeah. That’s yet another really good highlight. It was the fact that I found myself backstage with all these guys like Shawn Michaels. I got to see Ric Flair cut a live promo and he was standing no more than two feet away. So that was really cool.

A lot of our guys right now are leaving to attempt to break into WWE. Jody Kristofferson (son of Kris) who was one half of Pro Wrestling Bushido’s first set of tag team champions. He got picked up and he’s in FCW right now. Garret Dillon, that’s his name right now. Buggy Nova, I don’t know if you’ve seen her?

Oh, yeah. She’s a favorite on the 411 website.

Bobby Hart: She just got picked up, so she’s off to FCW as well. And yeah, a lot of people have had tryouts. Adam Thonstowe’s has tryouts. Timothy has had tryouts. Timmy’s done London tours. A lot of our guys are going that way. They’ve been under the radar… Um, no, I mean to say they’re on the radar, not under it.

J.R. Kratos is an up and comer. He’s had one match with us at Bushido and he’s currently an FCW trainee, and WWE’s looking at him right now. And he’s only been working for about three months.

Wow.

Bobby Hart: Yeah, so, a lot of our guys… That’s what I love about indy work. A lot of people that come to see it, you just don’t know if tomorrow these guys will be gone, but you got to be this close to him. You were just high-fiving him, you’re not going to be able to really do that in WWE unless you’re ringside. And that’s one of the things I love about indy wrestling, is that you’re personal with the fans. When I was in the ring with WWE? Like here, I get nervous, you know what I mean? Because I’m so close to the fans, and everything else. I don’t know why I get nervous. But once I come out of the curtain, it goes away once I’m out there. You’re so close to the fans, you don’t know what could happen.

But in the WWE ring? I didn’t even hear a fan, know what I mean? Thousands of people packed into the Save Mart Center? You don’t hear anybody and you don’t even see anybody because the lights are so bright.

Here (with indy wrestling) you get to see everybody’s face. Every fan. After the show you get to go talk to the fans outside, or whatever. They’re just fans talking to you. I just think that you get a different connection with the fans that way. I just think, that if you blow up and become a superstar, you just lose that connection that you had with the fans that you started with.

So how and when did you begin training other people?

Bobby Hart: That was an accident. I never was a trainer. What happened was, that NAW, the school I started at, that had a new batch of students and I happened to know one kid who was training and I wanted to go see how he was going to do. And I went up there and the guy that ran the school was sick or something and couldn’t make it. And I was there and they were like, can you train the school for a day? So I was like, ‘alright.” So I trained the school for that one day, and just never stopped. I ended up being the head trainer. And when North American Wrestling closed down I was in the middle of training that class. There was North American Wrestling Fresno, and North American Wrestling Modesto, and I owned the Modesto half. And the school was in Fresno, so every Monday and Wednesday I was driving to Fresno to train these students. I think there was 12 at first. And by the end of it I think there was four left. And when it closed down, I was already switching my half into Bushido. And so when it closed down, the students came with me. And I finished training them.

And now I have three of the four students that were left that were there, and they all work everywhere. Danny Torch, works at APW, All Pro Wrestling and he’s on TV with them. He works Lucha Extreme with me. He’s in Reno, Nevada all the time. He does the Reno Wrestling Factory and Supreme Pro Wrestling. And Savannah Riley, She’s at Lucha Extreme, and she’s going to APW tomorrow. She works at Reno Wrestling Factory and at Supreme Pro Wrestling all the time.

And so of the students I currently had left, I still have one training. I have one new student I can’t forget about, his name’s Angel, and he’s doing really well, and hopefully in the next two to three months he’ll be able to get into the ring and everybody can see what he’s capable of. Kurai Hime. She’s still training. She’s in between training and still working. So wherever I go she’s allowed to go with me. As long as I’m there, if they want to book her, that’s fine. As long as I’m there to oversee. But yeah. That’s what I have and everything is working out. Everyone is going somewhere.

So you kind of touched on it in your previous answer, how do you start promoting your own shows?

Bobby Hart: That was an accident, too. North American Wrestling, we used to do shows out of the dojo. We did shows in Madera and Selma, we did shows there as well. I was getting tired of only doing three shows a year with them, so I met Mike Vanick, who is a promoter at the Fat Cat. And he introduced me to Chris Ricci, and all of a sudden I was passing out comedy tickets at the Fat Cat. It was one day a week, it was only $30 a day. And it was just a job to get my foot in to get shows there.

As time when by it was “oh, we need a day guy”. And I was like “okay, I’ll do that.” And then it was “Oh, we need a barback” and I said “I can do that”. And then it was they needed a security guy and I said “okay, I can do that”. “You wanna be barback manager?” “Sure, I’ll be barback manager”.

So wanting to book more shows, I got my foot in at the Fat Cat. So now we’re doing six shows a year there. Plus I ended up with a job here, And now I’ve been here for ten years now. So that’s how I started booking wrestling shows at the Fat Cat. That’s how it started off, just to get us more shows. Because I didn’t own it at that time, I was just a student with NAW. But then CJay closed the school, and me and Mike kind of split it half, and I kept the Fat Cat shows going. Mike has his own thing going in Fresno, so that’s how we split it in two. And then when it became Bushido I wound up finding a place in Stockton, so we’re doing the Stockton shows and the Fat Cat shows, and now we have X-Fest (in Modesto) coming up, and we’re doing something with the local radio station Rock 96.7 in July. And we’ve been talking to the Modesto Nuts (minor league baseball team) to see if we could do something there.

It’s funny how things just slip into your hand. I never thought I’d own a company or promotion. I just wanted to be a wrestler. And I think it’s more fun owing a company, trying to push and get your guys over.

So how do you approach putting together a card, from start to finish?

Bobby Hart: When I put a card together I don’t always look at the storyline. It’s not about the storyline to me. I want to have the best matches possible. So I always book backwards. So here I am I have a show say, August 24th. But I want to know where I’m going to be in December. So I’ll book from December to here, backwards. This is where I want to be, how do I get there from here?

I usually have only about two storylines. One being the big one, and then a minor one in between. And the rest are just great matches.

I’m always looking for new talent. I have new guys always sending me new stuff. I’ve got videotapes every night. I sit down with my team, I have a little crew, and we figure out who would go with whom. What we can do with this person, and if there’re worth having for however long, and see how they’ll do right now. So that’s how we book the card. We like to work backwards, and make it worth everybody’s while.

We always have a plan B, because honestly? You never know where somebody’s gonna be tomorrow.

You’ve been singing the praises of Timothy Thatcher. And I must say, I am mightily impressed, what I’ve seen of him. A few cards back you booked a main event of him and Adam Thornstowe and they wound up wrestling a legitimate 60 minute time limit draw. And it wasn’t match packed full of rest holds, it was kind of fantastic to watch. And impressive that you would just let those guys go out there and just work and go.

Bobby Hart: Thanks.

But you have a crew of guys that you work with regularly, including Sir Samurai, who is great on the mic as you previously mentioned, and you also have Rik Luxury and El Cupacabra. And as long as I’ve been checking out local indy wrestling shows in this past decade, Luxury has always been the high king prick of the heels. And Chupy has always been the plucky face working against him. And recently, you switched them.

Bobby Hart: Rik is one of my best friends. And we’ve been talking, because Rik has always been the bad guy, no matter what. So we sat down and were discussing it. Here at the Fat Cat, I can’t be a heel, they won’t let me.

Because it’s your promotion.

Bobby Hart: Yeah, they won’t let me. And so, I was like ‘what can I do with Rik?’ He’s been the bad guy forever, everyone expects him to be that guy. Chupy, we pushed him, we did the match were Rik wins Chupy as a slave. And then we did Rik and Chupy ended up being friends. And so now we’re Chupy is in charge of the bad guys.

What we decided is, after the match, Rik is mad because Chupy has taken over, kind of calling the shots thing. And when Rik and Chupy do the whole feud, fighting each other, yelling at each other, Chupy says ‘the last time you beat me for that belt and I didn’t win, blah, blah, blah.’ So we had Rik say ‘any time you want another shot, you bring it on’. ‘Any time? How about now?’ And as soon as he said that The Suburban Commandos ran in and hit the Rizz Bomb on him at the snap of Chupy’s fingers, and took the belt.

And the thing is, and I knew it for what it was, is that Rik has been has been the bad guy for so long, the crowd wouldn’t connect to him. I mean, they just wouldn’t, just wouldn’t take him in. They were cheering the bad guys now for beating up Rik. So we had the Commandos challenge Rik to a match, get anybody you want, find a partner, and we’ll meet at a certain time and place and settle this.

And he couldn’t get anybody because nobody could trust him due to his past.

Bobby Hart: So, we do a show on youtube called Jacked. We did a lot of different vignettes where he was at different companies asking different people if they would be his partner. You know, to the point of even asking ref’s, just anybody that would help him out. But no one trusts him.

So at a certain point, when he’s being beaten so badly that everybody’s ‘okay, just finish it’, that’s when I come out. And that was the point. You’re been beating him so much we’re tired of it. Just pin him, that when I come out, not necessarily to tag him, they’re gonna switch. That’s the whole point, is to turn the fans towards Rik. So he could finally be a face. I knew, I knew, that it wouldn’t come easy as “oh, look, he turned”. It had to be something to make the fans say ‘oh okay, he really is a good guy now.’ And after the beating that he took? That’s what we did. It worked pretty good and Rik and I wound up winning the tag team titles.

It wasn’t like I came out to save him. It was more “just pin him already and get it over with “. But then they irritated me, so I tagged in. It wasn’t like I volunteered or anything.

A bit more organic that way.

Bobby Hart: That’s one of the things that I like to do is to surprise people. I like the crowd to be “whoa, I didn’t expect that at all”. We’ve come down to where we’ve gotten it down. The very big moments that we’ve had like the one where Dan Daniels, he’s been coming to the Bushido shows for probably two or three years and hasn’t worked any of them. So he’s been coming to the shows, and he’s been sitting in the crowd, the whole time. Every time we’ve had a show, he’s been in the crowd.

And he finally called me and told me that he wanted to work. So we set about how to go about this and bring him back in. And we came up with an idea. So we had Johnny Plinko come out, and he had been feuding with 4H. It’s Steve Stan, Bryan Cage and Joey Ryan. And they’ve been saying that ‘the fourth’ is coming, and they’ve been saying that for like six months. “The fourth is coming, the Forth is coming.” Because they were the four hottest commodities, 4H.

So Dan had been sitting in the audience and Dan started this fight with a guy in the front. Dan was all like ‘calm down’, and I had this whole thing where I had security? I didn’t have our guys come out, I had real security right there. So then I made it seem even more real. So when Plinko needed a tag team partner and everyone knows it’s supposed to be Sir Samurai, I came out and explained who Dan Daniels was, and that I trained with him, and I would trust him to be my partner. So when the match happened, Plinko had been in the ring, and when he tagged in Daniel’s. The heels bail, and it’s just the two of them on the ring. Then 4H’s music hits and Joey Ryan starts screaming “The fourth is here ! The Fourth is here!” And out of nowhere Dan German suplexes Plinko out of nowhere.

The crowd was pissed! They were throwing bottles! There was debris everywhere! And it worked because the crowd didn’t expect it. Dan had been sitting in the audience for forever. People had seen him sitting there the whole time, you know? It wasn’t just like he showed up out of the blue today.

Sounds rather awesome. That’s the kind stuff that anyone really should aim for. Another thing I like about the shows you put on is that you bring in a lot of PWG talent, whom you mentioned earlier. They get a lot of coverage on the 411 website. I’ve been reading about a lot of these guys, and you actually bring a lot of them in.

Bobby Hart: I love PWG. Pro Wrestling Guerilla. There’s a lot of guys there that I really want to use. That style of wrestling is missing here in NorCal. And I kind of want to mesh Northern California wrestling with the scene down south. That’s why we have Joey Ryan. We just brought in Willie Mack…

He’s very impressive I have to say…

Bobby Hart: Yeah, he’s very good. Johnny Goodtime. I’m kind of sad ‘cause he’s in Japan right now, so he can’t make the next show, which was supposed to be the main event, Thatcher vs. Goodtime II. But things happen, he’s in Japan. So I really like the style and there’s a lot of guys I would like to bring in, from like Dragon Gate. Guerilla uses a lot of the Dragon Gate and Ring Of Honor guys, and that’s kind of what we’ve taken off of. You know what I mean? We’ve brought in a lot of the Ring Of Honor guys, and we’re trying to bring in the Dragon’s Gate guys with Sammy Callahan. And we really want to bring in Johnny Gorgano. Stuff like that. We’re in talks with Tazawa. We’re trying to work that out, so hopefully by the end of the year, he’ll be working with Bushido.

You mentioned Bret Hart as an influence earlier. He has stated that he believed that pro wrestling when done right was an art form. Do you believe that yourself and embrace that?

Bobby Hart: Yeah, I do. I believe it’s an art form. If you’ve ever been to a karate exhibition? In a karate exhibition, you hit, but you don’t hit full force. You know what I mean? But in pro wrestling, people always resort to the ‘it’s fake’ argument.

I still love DDP’s quote in regards to that, ‘you can’t fake gravity.’

Bobby Hart: Recently, studies have shown that in pro wrestling, every time you take a bump it’s like a five mile per hour car accident. You know, it’s a minor car crash that your body is taking. But when I bump forty times in the ring, that’s forty car crashes I’m taking. It’s not really fake, it’s an art form. We’re in there showing and telling you a story. You know, when you read a book, you don’t say ‘this is a fake book’ or dismiss it outright because it’s been made up by someone. You’re watching entertainment, but it’s a sport.

I’ve always felt that when you go into the ring, that when you leave, you should feel like you were in a football game. Everybody should be able to leave, but everyone knew that they were there. I don’t think you should pummel the crap out of people, and try to kill the other guy. MMA is MMA, because once the guy is knocked out, they stop, you don’t allow them to pummel the other guy.

It’s an art form. It’s like a dance. We just practice a lot more. After we have a fight, we don’t go home and rest for three months, and train for the next fight. We get up the next day and go do it again. In the same kind of ring. Everybody thinks it’s a freakin’ trampoline, and it’s not. It’s pretty solid.

So after all this time, are you still having fun? Are you still passionate about it?

Bobby Hart: Oh, yeah. I love it, I love it. I watch wrestling all day long. If I’m not on youtube watching it, I’m on Hulu watching it, or we’re at home watching DVD’s. I don’t really watch much WWE anymore. I watch a lot of Japanese and old wrestling. I love watching the old NWA. Anything that has Harley Race in it, I’ll watch. Any old Ric Flair. Right now, while he was really green, I love watching the old Rick Rude matches, when he was really young from Memphis. I watch a lot of that. What else do I watch? Right now, I’m hooked on Dragon’s Gate. That’s pretty much what I do with my life. If I’m not at the gym, I’m watching wrestling or wrestling with my kids, or something. Something’s always going on.

What can you tell me about the above posted photo?

Bobby Hart: The blading incident in the ring? What happened was, I came in to save someone who was being attacked, I ducked a line, I gave somebody else something, then Rik (Luxury) hit me with the belt. Boom. I’m on the mat, and I’m going to cut myself, and Virgil Flynn came at me from behind as I was cutting myself and kicked me in the head. So when he kicked me in the head, it jabbed right in there. So it was a pretty big gash. So after that, after we were done?

No, I remember it, because you couldn’t stop bleeding for the rest of the night!

Bobby Hart: The best part about it was that we had super glue. And Virgil’s in the back, you know, the guy that just beat me up, he’s in the back trying to glue me shut. We’re trying to keep the door closed so people don’t see that happening. But yeah. That’s the fun stuff that happens in indy wrestling. But yeah, that’s a good story. The guy who just beat the crap out of me trying to superglue my head shut.

Do you prefer being a face or a heel?

Bobby Hart: Oh, man. You know what? That’s kind of a hard question. Because pretty much across the board, I’m a face everywhere. But when you’re a heel? It’s so much more fun, because you just get to be a A-hole. But I’ve played a really good face, and I honestly haven’t ‘played’ anything, that’s just how I’ve been. That’s just how people react to me. Even right now at Lucha Extreme, I’m a heel, but the crowd just reacts to me. I don’t know why, as I’m just being a horrible person. I don’t know if I’m just not good at being a heel? I don’t know. It’s a hard question because I’ve had such fun doing both. You know, sometimes you’ve gotta be the guy getting beat up, and sometimes, you get to be the guy beating people up. And sometimes, it’s more fun to be the guy beating people up. So yeah, I guess being the heel is more fun.

How many current promotions are you working for right now?

Bobby Hart: I quit working a lot of promotions for a while. First, for a little bit, I was only doing my stuff. And now, in the last couple of years, I’ve branched back out. Now I work in Reno Wrestling Factory, Supreme Pro Wrestling, I work that every time, I always do SPW. Luche Extreme right now. Pile Driver Pro Wrestling. And once in a while, EPW. So right now, maybe four or five? I’m more busy with the stuff that I’m doing. It consumes me, because I’m doing all the editing, all the TV shows, we’ve got the radio show now. And I’ve got my students and I’m always training on Mondays and Wednesdays. And yeah, I work here, I work at the Fat Cat. Fridays and Saturdays are my big days here. You know, I gotta make rent. And wrestling doesn’t pay the rent, so. Which I wish it did, but it doesn’t.

Bobby, thanks for your time.

Bobby Hart: Not at all. Thank you.

Bobby and his Pro Wrestling Bushido promotion can next be seen at La Jamaica Hall, 609 S. Lincoln Street in Stockton, Ca, this coming Sunday, June 24. For details about the show and Pro Wrestling Bushido, please visit the official website here.